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BartW-Batgraphics
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November 18, 2022
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Fonts no longer supported in illustrator 20222

  • November 18, 2022
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Hello!

when i open a work i've made earlier (2021, 2020, ...) some text is completely gone.

Adobe has previously issued notifications regarding older fonts that would no longer be supported from January 2023. Is there a possibility to continue using these 'older' fonts?
Very annoying if this happens to all documents of a customer where the house style is based on such a font ... .

Should I install an Open Type version of the font to fix this? But the same thing happens with the Open Type version of Myriad Pro; all text disappeared from my document. This is awful, Adobe!

 

4 replies

Participating Frequently
November 27, 2023

Yeah this is why we have laws agains monopolies.
This is why the EU forced Apple to bring back their old chargers.
They did it because they can. Corporations dgaf

Community Expert
November 27, 2023

Adobe is not a monopoly. Nearly all the applications they make have competing rivals. Adobe Illustrator has lots of competitors on Windows, MacOS and iPadOS platforms. There's CorelDRAW, Affinity Designer, Inkscape, Gravit Designer, Vectornator (aka Linearity Curve), Autodesk Graphic and lots of other upstarts.

 

Adobe Illustrator does have some unique features and effects its rivals either don't have or can't duplicate faithfully. Most corporate branding work is done using Illustrator. Depending on the artwork it can be difficult to accurately open/import Illustrator-generated files into applications like CorelDRAW or Affinity Designer without artwork elements breaking in some manner. The same thing can happen going the other direction, such as importing Corel-generated artwork into Adobe Illustrator.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse
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November 19, 2022

If text is missing, that's not connected to the Type 1 issue anyway. Something else is at play. Let's try and figure out what that is. (Can you share a file?)

In any case, even if a font is missing, the copy should still be there, but highlighted and replaced with the default font (ironically, Myriad Pro).

 

By the way, I just opened an old (2008) file with what I know are Type 1 fonts, and v27 still opens it just fine (my font manager still loads the old fonts fine), but with the warning that come January 2023.

Since you've deleted your Suitcase, how are you loading your fonts now?

BartW-Batgraphics
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November 19, 2022

When I look at the comments I also think more and more in the direction of font management, which is currently a bit of a disaster here. I currently have 2 systems on my iMac: Font Catalog (standard on iMac?) and FontExplorer X Pro 6 (6.0.5). To be honest, I rarely or never look into this... :-(. I'm going to have to work on this, I think, to solve the problems?
Which font management system do you recommend? Maybe I should also build a new system from scratch? I can't share the illustrator file ('...match its file extension and has been removed'). I share a screenshot of the file.does not 

Monika Gause
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Community Expert
November 19, 2022

I don't use any font management due to the issues they usually cause with Illustrator. I was just fed up with that.

Ton Frederiks
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Community Expert
November 18, 2022

There must be something else happening, Myriad Pro is already (and has always been) an OpenType font.

Community Expert
November 18, 2022

Myriad had a Type 1 Multiple Master version and some standalone Type 1 styles like Myriad Tilt and Myriad Headline prior to the OTF version of Myriad Pro being released.

Ton Frederiks
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Community Expert
November 18, 2022

Yes, there are many versions of Myrad. A PostScript Type1 version has been the default in Illustrator for years.

Monika Gause
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Community Expert
November 18, 2022

It's not "older fonts", it's PostScript Type1 fonts that are no longer supported. The writing has been on the wall for quite some time. Operating systems no longer support these fonts.

You can of course keep an older system and then an older version of Illustrator and can update the documents as long as the computer doesn't fall apart.

 

I would suggest you update the font to OpenType - which means: license a new version of that font. This would also mean to update the documents and beware, because text might reflow and also some special characters might remap.

 

If you have issues with Myriad Pro then they might look the same, but are caused by something differently. This needs to be analyzed and please give us your system specifications, version of Illustrator. Do you use font management? Vanishing fonts is often caused by incompatible font management.

Community Expert
November 18, 2022

Postscript Type 1 fonts still work in the latest build of Windows 11 and still work in rival (non-Adobe) graphics applications. It's not clear how much longer such fonts will be able to run on that platform though. It's not always practical or even possible to buy an OpenType replacement of an old Type 1 fonts package. Some companies, such as FontLab Ltd, do make font conversion software.

I still don't understand why Adobe is killing support for Postscript Type 1 fonts. Adobe invented Postscript. Early versions of Adobe Illustrator (and other Adobe apps like PageMaker) included packages of Type 1 fonts. Heck, I still have old floppies from Illustrator 4.0 that included a bunch of Berthold "BE" fonts like Akzidenz Grotesk.

Monika Gause
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Community Expert
November 20, 2022

That was an informative 75 minute presentation. But what I got from it was that, basically, Type 1 font support is being killed off because of Harfbuzz? How is that going to be incorporated into Illustrator, InDesign, etc? What sort of functions is it going to provide to benefit users? Some of us have hundreds or even thousands of existing archive documents that make use of Type 1 fonts. I can understand the needs of making it easier to sell software on a global basis. But there has to be some kind of safety net for us long-time users who still have a lot of vintage Type 1 fonts.

This sort of nonsense pretty much has me convinced the only safe, long-term way to store information or artwork is by physically printing it out on paper and storing that. Adobe Illustrator has, so far, been very good at opening old AI and EPS files, even going back to the first versions of Illustrator. But now we're going to see Pantone spot color fills blacked out (for reasons that only seem stupid) and any text set in Type 1 fonts is just going to get deleted from the document. I'm already pretty angry at other software vendors for ending support for early file versions of their application formats (CorelDRAW is a big offender).

We're already on the hook as it is with Adobe's applications being software as a service. When Adobe and other companies get into spats that break file-open/import compatibility that turns into a giant problem. I shouldn't have to worry about archived files that are 10 or 20 years old suddenly being broken or even unable to open. It's not practical to tell users to go update that big pile of archived files before the next version of Illustrator drops. Some serious attention needs to be paid to this category.

I'm a big film fan, but I have to say that it's a lot easier for restoration experts to perform a restoration on an old film that was produced entirely with analog tools. If the movie was made with digital tools then all sorts of liabilities enter the picture. Consider the movie "Jurassic Park." The CGI work was done mostly on Silicon Graphics computers running the IRIX OS. Applications like Alias Power Animator and Softimage were used in post production. SGI and those apps are dead. Maya is the only thing left with DNA from that time. If some executive decided they needed a new restored version of "Jurassic Park" in native 4K they would probably have to re-create all the CGI work from scratch because it would likely be a horrible task trying to rescue and re-use the original modeling and animation data.

I wouldn't expect this sort of thing to affect mainstream graphics software since both the Windows and Mac operating systems as well as Illustrator itself has been around since the 1980's yet are still actively maintained. But now we see stuff as basic as fonts being broken. That's not good. The Pantone thing is bad enough (and really anger inspiring). Having the Type 1 thing happen in the same period of time is just adding insult to injury. It has me asking what's next? The Dolby versus Adobe spat didn't bother me so much because I didn't have all that much a need to encode 5.1 audio out of Premiere Pro. But Pantone spot color fills and Type 1 font support are far more mainstream items. 


I've been using Apple computers since 1991 and during that time so many things have been abandoned or broken because of technological progress. And then you couldn't open old documents anymore.

 

But in this case you *can* still open the documents. You will need to replace the fonts. And let's be clear: the writing has been on the wall. And Type1 fonts have only still been in use, because they have been licensed way back then and nobody wanted to license new fonts (yes, that includes me). But were they easy to handle? Certainly not. For every ligature, small-cap letter, non-latin character or embellishment you needed a different font.

 

Harfbuzz as far as I understand it is not user-facing technology. It is something in the back, supporting the correct typesetting of Arabic or Devenagari (and probably other script based writing systems). Do I personally ever need that? Most probably not. But there are Arabic speaking people all over the world. And while not everyone in India uses Devanagari, India will soon have the world's largest population. So I would surely say that those people matter, don't you?

 

Back in the end of the Nineties Apple introduced a system addition for the support of multiple languages on the same system: World Ready Something or whatever. At that time I was trying to publish a web page in Russian for a client. Did not succeed. I just couldn't. Today I have have this page: https://www.vektorgarten.de/illustrator-polyglott.html which contains besides latin based languages, one Eastern European language and 3 non latin languges. On the same page. I consider that progress. And I want to be able to typeset different languages in the same document using the application I have installed. Instead of jumping through hoops, installing world-ready-something-system extensions and a special whatever-language-enabled-application. That opens the world for me. I can accept commissions from companies serving the world.