How do I create these spirograph fan shapes on illustrator?

[Violet26213002v0mw]

Hello,

I'm trying to recreate these two spirograph fan shapes on illustrator.

I've been playing around with the transform tools and then duplicating (cmd+d) until I complete the spiral, but I just can't figure out the initial shapes to create both these symbols.

Any help would be appreciated. Thank you!

[Ton Frederiks]

Does look like a combination of multiple initial shapes.

Instead of Transform Again, you may want to look at Transform Effect (Google: Transform Effect Illustrator)