New bullet feature spacing bug

[jessenicoli]

I am using the new Bullets and Numbering feature and I've noticed that it works fine, unless you close your document, reopen, and then try to add more lines. The program forgets that you're using bullets and if you try to add a bullet again in the same text area box it indents all of the following lines after the first one.

[jessenicoli]

Okay, so I think I figured out what Illustrator is actually doing though I don't understand why it's coded this way. When you use the bullet feature it acts as it's own thing. The bullet is not able to be selected. It acts outside of what would be live text. The indentation is controlled by the Bullet and Numbering dialogue. However, if you close out of your document and then reopen it, Illustrator takes that information, converts your bullet into a glyph → • and then changes the paragraph indentation settings to keep what was formatted. The bullet becomes live text and is no longer controlled by the Bullet and Numbering dialogue. What are the chances Adobe wants to comment on this and explain why this half-baked feature was added?

[Anubhav M]

Hello @jessenicoli,

Thanks for sharing your observations! When you use the Bullets and Numbering feature and close/reopen the file, you should still be able to add more bullets or numbers to the same text box by simply hitting Enter, as long as the bullets or numbers haven’t been converted to regular text.

If the bullets have been converted to text (as you mentioned with the bullet turning into a glyph), they lose their connection to the Bullets and Numbering dialogue. This could happen due to specific workflows or saving formats that don’t fully preserve dynamic properties. To ensure the feature remains editable, try these steps:
1. Save the file in .AI format, which fully supports Illustrator’s features.
2. Avoid converting text to outlines or exporting to formats like PDF unless necessary.

Let us know if this helps clarify things!

Anubhav

[jessenicoli]

1. The file is saved in .AI format.

2. The text was not converted to outlines nor was it exported.

This is purely something happening in the UI and seems like it was intended.

This could happen due to specific workflows or saving formats that don’t fully preserve dynamic properties. > This is happening with a normal workflow and is a bug in the software.

[Monika Gause]

I cannot reproduce that.

Was that perhaps an older file from a few versions back that you opened and then added the text and just saved (insterad of save as)?

[jessenicoli]

This was a new document created within the last week or so.

[Monika Gause]

Exactl< how did you save it? WHich options?

[Anshul_Saini]

Hello @jessenicoli,

Thank you for your detailed description of the issue you’re encountering. We understand the problem you’re facing with the Bullets and Numbering feature, but we are unable to reproduce it on our end.

To assist you further, please create a new file in Illustrator 29.1 and screen record the issue while demonstrating it. Additionally, please share the sample file with us so that we can investigate further and identify what is causing this behavior.

We appreciate your cooperation and look forward to resolving this!

Best regards,
Anshul Saini

[jessenicoli]

NEW DETAILS! I am also unable to reproduce it when creating a new document from "ctrl+n". I realized after, that these are the steps to recreate the issue.

1. Open an old document.
2. Save as > new document name.
3. Create bulleted list.
4. Close everything.
5. Open "newly" created document.
6. Experience bug.

[Monika Gause]

when you do a save as  like in your step 2, the list will not be converted to text. Because then you save as the current version.

You need to leave out that step and just save the file. When goind that you save to the old version, which does not understand lists. So it's just natural that your list gets expanded.

[jessenicoli]

Nope, it still happens on a Save As. Do it, it's replicable.

[Monika Gause]

I *have* done it. and could not replicate it.