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May 24, 2011
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How to select only objects within a selection marquee?

  • May 24, 2011
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I am a new user of Illustrator CS5, switching from Freehand. I am trying to find out if there is a way to select only the objects within a selection marquee? In AutoCAD you can make a selection window from left to right and only those objects entirely within the window are selected. If you window from right to left all objects that are "crossed" or touched by the window are selected. Is there a similar technique in Illustrator?

Currently I have to select the objects, then go back and hold the shift key to deselect the object I don't want, or lock layers to prevent extra objects getting selected.

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    Correct answer CarlosCanto

    OK folks, back to the original question, is there a way to select only the objects contained within a selection marquee. A lot of the answers submitted offer complicated, multi-step processes to what should be a very simple need. Drag the window to the right to select only the objects within the marquee, drag the window to the left to select any objects touched by the marquee. Click, drag, release. Ta dah!

    So based on this discussion I am guessing that the answer to my original question is no. So maybe the developers will consider adding this feature to future updates.

    I am always impressed by users inventiveness in getting around roadblocks in programs and bending them to their will. And I am always flumoxed by developers who load programs with minutely detailed tools but overlook the obvious in offering simple productive tools for frequent tasks.


    No

    11 replies

    New Participant
    November 8, 2023
    CarlosCanto
    Brainiac
    November 8, 2023

    about time! miracles do exist after all

    Virgil at Convincible
    Known Participant
    February 8, 2022

    There is no built-in, direct way of doing what you suggest (which is dumb – Adobe should implement this!)

    But a good solution is to move the objects you want to select onto their own layer. This is only really a solution that works in advance. That is, given that you probably will want to select those objects independently, you should have created them on their own layer in the first place. Then you can lock other layers and select them easily.

    CoolSelection
    New Participant
    September 3, 2020

    CoolSelection plugin solves this problem.  
    It's similar to the Selection Tool (V), but it selects only objects fully inside the selection rectangle.  
    You can select objects overlapping with many other objects, objects placed over complex backgrounds etc.  
    https://www.cool-selection.com/index.html
    This post was written by the author of CoolSelection.

    dzgnr89
    Inspiring
    March 14, 2021

    I last posted here 8 and a half years ago out of frustration. I faced the same frustration again today. Still I have to use a plugin or script to do a basic inside selection like this? No particular toggle setting within Illustrator 2021?

     

    Like it's been more than 8 freaking years since users posted here and expressed their concern for a basic...basic...basic command lacking in Illustrator!

    Known Participant
    September 26, 2021

    We had a similar plugin from Esko that does this exact function and live under your Direct Selection tool in Illustrator. Quite handy.

     

    https://docs.esko.com/docs/en-us/boostx-for-ai/16/userguide/home.html?q=en-us/common/bx/topic/to_areaselect.html

    lonjaz39806580
    New Participant
    July 28, 2017

    Unfortunately intelligent FH selection methods disappeared in Illustrator. (Totally contained objects in selection rectangle + optionally change to 'touched' objects).

    There's only the option for the second one in Illustrator.

    Very sad.

    For all of us who worked both with FH and AI and can make a comparison it's very sad to see so many smart options disappeared

    Known Participant
    July 28, 2017

    It should be pretty clear by now that Illustrator is abandonware.

    This idiotic defect has persisted for its entire existence.  Your top options are:

    1. Use Affinity Designer.  It has other idiotic UI problems, but at least you can select objects properly.

    2. Use Corel Draw, in a virtual machine if necessary.  It kicks áss over Illustrator in basically every way, although it's not perfect either.

    PanBeep
    Known Participant
    February 1, 2018

    This is so true! Why does Adobe can't fix such simple issue???????

    Known Participant
    September 10, 2012

    Just installed CS6.  Sure enough, this pathetic defect still isn't fixed.

    dzgnr89
    Inspiring
    September 13, 2012

    Mobius Strip wrote:

    Just installed CS6.  Sure enough, this pathetic defect still isn't fixed.

    maybe someone should directly tell adobe about this

    Ngaio9Author
    Inspiring
    September 13, 2012

    I just did since I was the originator of this discussion. Lets hope someone reads it.

    Grant H
    Inspiring
    August 1, 2011

    or... (here's a wierd work around)

    select the objects (using the lasso tool) that you want plus the objects that overlap as show (ie just a portion of the object—outside the overlap).

    Then goto select / same / appearence and then command Z to revert. Now the "half" selected objects are fully selected.

    G

    ps: you can also save selections if need be.

    August 30, 2012

    It's a shame that we need to resort to work arounds like this. Illustrator's lasso tool used to have a group selection option. It was dropped a few versions back and I never understood why. Basiacally, the lasso tool had a regular version that just selected individual nodes, and a + version that selected entire shapes of whatever it touched. It worked just like white arrow tool works now except you could make more precise freeform selections as opposed to rectangular ones.

    If this feature were brought back, it would fix a lot of the issues raised here, but not all of them.

    Participating Frequently
    August 30, 2012

    I'm still using CS3 and I can't believe that AI still does not have a proper selection tool by version 5. That is insane. A lasso tool should select all the objects inside of it as the default. Not all the points, all the objects. I don't know about you, but I don't draw points, I draw objects. Sure, there can be other key-controlled selections, but the most intuitive should be the default. Only those people who have only used AI argue this. This, and the inability to draw circles or anything other than varieties of parallelograms, has indeed left the application almost unusable. Canvas and certainly Freehand are sorely missed on the Mac side of things.

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    Known Participant
    August 1, 2011

    The sad fact is that this design defect renders Illustrator unusable for many people.  I run Corel Draw under Fusion or Boot Camp simply because Illustrator's selection mechanism is inexcusably incompetent.

    Scripts, while appreciated, are not a viable workaround because (last I heard) they can't persistently be assigned to a hotkey (another WTF defect in Illustrator).  And even if they could, why should users have to continually tap keys or run a script after every selection attempt?

    The failure to address this defect is a big "screw you" from Adobe to its customers.

    When you combine this with Photoshop's lack of a "paste as new image" command, you have a picture of Adobe as a company out of touch with the most common tasks people do with their products.  But people put up with it because these shoddy products are entrenched and no one is going to spend years of development time to create a viable alternative.

    One of the several other threads on this problem has been running for years:

    http://forums.adobe.com/message/3831695#3831695

    JETalmage
    Inspiring
    May 29, 2011

    The fact that there is no option to turn off AI's contact-sensitive selection is just part of the problem.

    One of the many inconsistencies in Illustrator's tool-glutted but still inadequate selection interface is that the white pointer can be made to select all of the anchors of the paths touched by its rectangular marquee by holding a momentary modifier key (Alt). But that doesn't work with the Lasso. (In other words, in AI's multi-tool interface scheme, there is no "Group Lasso" tool.)

    As a workaround for both situations, I hacked out a pair of scripts a few years ago. Applied after making a marquee selection with either the white pointer or the Lasso, one script deselects partially-selected paths; the other selects the rest of partially-selected paths.

    The two scripts can be found here.

    JET

    New Participant
    October 25, 2019

    Now, years later, the link is dead... any chance, to get those scripts somewhere and will they work with actual Illustrator CC2019?

    JETalmage
    Inspiring
    May 28, 2011
    This is the way Claris CAD, Freehand, Canvas, VectorWorks, etc. have worked and always worked.

    FreeHand (sensibly) provides a tool-specific option for contact-sensitve selection. Double-click the selection tool and choose whether it selects objects merely touched, or only objects fully-enclosed.

    Just one tiny part of the general tedium of Illustrator's selection/manipulation interface. Basic stuff that all competing programs do better.

    JET

    Inspiring
    May 29, 2011

    JETalmage wrote:

    This is the way Claris CAD, Freehand, Canvas, VectorWorks, etc. have worked and always worked.

    FreeHand (sensibly) provides a tool-specific option for contact-sensitve selection. Double-click the selection tool and choose whether it selects objects merely touched, or only objects fully-enclosed.

    Just one tiny part of the general tedium of Illustrator's selection/manipulation interface. Basic stuff that all competing programs do better.

    JET

    I would be opposed t this approach I would rather have a toggle I think preference is fine for a default setting but not as the only way of accessing your preference a toggle is better and I think the current behavior in AI is fine as the default. And to go further the use of the toggle and the setting of the default should be user defined.

    that is the toggle should be on by default but the user can turn it off if for some reason.

    This is one of the reasons I think the approach like other applications as a reason onto itself is misguide, who cares what other applications do or do not do as part of their mechanism. As long as a feature or an enhancement  or improvement of a feature is well thought out then that is al that counts.

    As far as I can tell most users that use Illustrator use by choice by a vast majority changing the functions of Illustrator to match other programs that Illustrator user have rejected doesn't make much sense.

    I started out with FreeHand and didn't like it I own a license to Corel's Suite for the Mac and did not like it, besides the fact that it constantly crashed.

    I chose Illustrator because I got my work done, it worked for me.

    I think the what is rudimental in other programs should be of no concern of Illustrator uses.

    The new clipping mask behavior was ill conceived there should be a choice of how one wants the clipping mask feature work. And the same here it would be a very thoughtless act to dump one behavior for another with out thinking of the options and the needs of the vast majority of users.

    I writing this here just in case someone from Adobe thinks this is a much requested feature, which it is not, but just in case they should think twice about suggesting the change.

    Inspiring
    May 29, 2011

    Also also to add it to the lasso tool would make it much more useful then to just the selection tool which is confined to a rectangle selection.

    Participating Frequently
    May 25, 2011

    I've been waiting for this feature since around 1988 or so. In my experience, every application that has a selection lasso or box works in such a way that only the items completely inside the "fence" are selected. This is the way Claris CAD, Freehand, Canvas, VectorWorks, etc. have worked and always worked. Illustrator is the only application I've ever come across where objects are selected, counter-intuitively, by everything the "fence" touches. I chuckle when I see how hard it is to explain the "inside only" concept to those who have only used AI. It's like trying to explain the wheel to people who have been dragging things around all their lives. I've been asking for it on the feature request for as long as there have been feature requests, to no avail. I used Canvas for around 10 years before coming back to AI and I was shocked that the lasso still had the crazy, backwards select-all-it-touches system. Yes, you are correct. It should work the way you expect, capturing only what is completely inside the lasso, but it doesn't. I'm up to CS4 and I think it still doesn't, not even as an option. It is just about the strangest thing in software, but there you go. So many people have used AI and nothing else that they don't notice the backwardness of it and, in fact, get used to it. It just goes to show how adaptable humans are! Other than that, it's a fine application.

    MGuilfoile

    CarlosCanto
    Brainiac
    May 25, 2011

    Michael we'll keep waiting another decade, in the meantime, the script does the job.