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Aloha from Honolulu,
Re-learning InDesign after many years away.
I'm putting together an 8.5" x 8.5" children's book in InDesign.
It will likely be published via KDP.
Is page 1 the cover?
Or is page 1 the title page and I must create the cover separately?
I'm assuming KDP "knows" how to process the cover separately: the cover is printed on heavier stock than the pages inside.
Mahalo!
Cat
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The very first thing to consider is that when you have something printed, you need to start with the printer's specifications and rules and work backwards from there. Doing a bunch of design and layout to an arbitrary format and then trying to get a printer to take the job is the wrong way around.
Fortunately, KDP does do 8.5x8.5, so you're good there. You then have to decide if you want to print it in softcover or hardcover — KDP only does that size in softcover, so that's pretty much a set choice.
Fundamentally, the interior pages are one file and layout, set up page by page. The cover is two pages — the front and the back, plus any width for the spine — laid out as one spread or sheet. You can only print on the outside of KDP covers. (Commercial printing and some other on-demand printers allow printing on the two inside covers, but KDP only does outside.)
So in the end, you will have a file with your interior pages, 1-32 or however many, preferably in multiples of 4 — although actually, one less than that is ideal as it leaves a last inside blank page for KDP's bar code etc. If you submit anything over a multiple of four, the print process has to pad that to an even multiple that leaves that last blank page.
You will also have a separate file containing an approximately 8.5x17 layout for the cover. It will need bleeds around the edges and allowance for any spine thickness, although 32 pages/16 leaves is pretty slim.
If any of that doesn't make sense, ask away. But the best place to start with the details is on KDP's own pages about trim sizes, templates, spine thickness calculation etc. — so you might want to look up and review those before lining up your ID and layout questions.
And if you're thinking about a Kindle edition as well, there are some things you should do from the start to make the conversion easier.
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Aloha!
Mahalo nui loa!
So helpful.
In relearning InDesign and learning KDP, I've been following an online video tutorial.
The 8.5" x 8.5" was recommended as an appealing size for most children — my second graders don't seem to have a preference! -- and it was one of the accepted KDP sizes.
What the tutorial left out was... the cover. No mention of it!
Hence my question.
If I understand your response -- I'm not being dense, just making 100% sure I've "got it" -- I will, in effect, have TWO PDF documents to upload to KDP.
1. My 32-page inner pages (text and illustrations). The tutorial had me set up a 31 page format in InDesign.
2. My cover, 85." x 17" per your suggestion.
Again, MANY thanks.
This question is obviously so simple tutorials just assume "everyone" knows the answer!
Mahalo nui loa!
Cat
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There are two approaches which depend on the binding. If you have a "self cover" publication, you have the content – 32 pages in your example – all printed on the same stock (paper) and the cover would be page 1.
If you have a "separate" cover, that is a publication with a four page cover printed on a heavier stock and then bound with the inside section, the first page of the section would be page 1. The cover would not have folios but be printed, normally, on pages 1 and 4 (front and back cover).
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Mahalo!
Again, so helpful.
I'll check with KDP to see what the options are there. (I'm currently exploring KDP because it's been used in the tutorials I've been using.)
As a regular Photoshop and Bridge user, with some Illustrator familiarity, I'm happyt to say InDesign has bee relatively easy to relearn. (I used it years ago, but haven't had occasion to use it recently).
Mahalo again! Appreciated!
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All correct, but self-cover is usually for brochures, pamphlets and booklets, and not often used on "books" per se. I don't think KDP offers it even for very slim books. Their whole model is based on interior + wrap cover, printed as separate elements.
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I'll just say "it's not just you" in all this. KDP can be maddening to work with. The information, process and tools are relentlessly novice/amateur in approach, and it's hard to go past that very basic level to anything more complex or involved. It's also hard to find any of the endless help, tutorial and info pages that don't have at least one error or outdated instruction. I find the information too granular, with whole pages or groups of pages focused on one aspect (the book interior, for example) without ever mentioning associated topics like, well, the cover, or trim margins, or such. It's a weird combination of "any kitchen table author can publish a book" and a sort of vast, vague mushiness that requires you to bring all of your own prior expertise to sort out.
The less said about the support community, the better; I'll just be polite and say that dealing with an endless tide of those first-book/one-book novices isn't really conducive to focused help.
The best thing you might do, having settled on a size and format, is to download templates from the KDP page, and use those to guide your interior and cover layouts. You can lay the actual templates in on a layer under your working layers, and do things like reduce their opacity so that the're just ghost/guidelines. The main things you will want to be careful of are keeping text and other 'live' elements within the page margins, providing an adequate "bleed" to allow for trimming variations, and putting certain elements like an ISBN barcode in the right place — or leaving a clear space for them to apply the barcode.
Happy to keep answering questions about both ID and KDP.
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Aloha e James,
Sorry, been super busy. (I'm a second grade teacher.)
Again, thank you for all your comments. Super appreciated.
I am copying and pasting your comments into a document to have on hand when I make the KDP plunge!
A great weekend have!
Cat
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No worries. I come from a family of educators. 🙂
Discussions here are highly persistent, so you can just bookmark this topic and come back to it any time for reference or further questions.
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