Adobe Indesign CC 2019 / Apple MacOS Mojave 10.14.5

[seanf33852861]

Hello, I really hope somebody can help me with this issue I am having. I hope I can explain it correctly, if you have any questions please let me know :

First of all this is a question about accessibility

My document ( INDESIGN 2019 ), has little .eps file in my indesign document. Its how the document was conceived.

My Job is to convert this document into a accessible document. Just to make it short, I have to convert all the .eps into a OUTLINE format.

But this is what Happens :

1. I am in my indesign document ( 2019 )

2. I right click a .eps and open it in Illustrator

3. TO give you and idea what are my .eps I have attach and image, If I dont convert it in outline, I get a Character encoding problem in my PDF, which causes big problems in a accessible document. Its basically a Symbol ( MATHTYPE )....I really hope I am explaining myself corectly.

4. When My .eps is converted to outline in Illustrator and then...I save it

5. Go back to indesign, then it updates the link I GET THE WHEEL of COLOR OF DEATH ROLLING for 12 to 15 seconde per .eps. you know what wheel I am talking about.

now. I have tried about everything to try to make this wait shorter and shorter, but no go. So this is why I am putting my question on the Adobe Forum, are you having issues with the new operating system MOJAVE with Indesign. Is their a update I need to do to Adobe!...

If you have a solution, this will help me a lot, cause its causing my a lot of time waiting for it to update.

[dave c courtemanche]

First off, I would not use the .eps format. Save the file as a .ai file and see if that fixes your issue. Eps should be avoided at all costs and I know of know benefit to using this archaic format.

[dave c courtemanche]

Also, you could not convert to outlines, save your PDF from Indesign and convert all fonts to outlines in Acrobat (Print Production/Prefilght/PDF fixups/ convert all fonts to outlilnes). This is the process I use when I need to outline anything and retain transparency.

[seanf33852861]

Can you convert just images to outline. I dont want the whole documents to be outline, just the vector images ( like the image I posted ). Thank you for the fast reply!

[Dov Isaacs]

Actually, you should ​never ​save as .AI for placement into InDesign. Save as ​.PDF ​using the PDF/X-4 presets and do not convert any colors in the process. And of course, there is no good reason to ever convert text to outlines other than the rare event where you need to manipulate type in a way other that rotation, obliquing, and scaling.

          - Dov

[dave c courtemanche]

Dov

Why only PDF format? Doesn't .ai store a PDF preview? What's the rational behind PDF only?

[Dov Isaacs]

When you save as a .AI from Illustrator, it does not give you any options for what type of PDF file to produce. You get a generic thing which is not appropriate for placement in InDesign. For placement in InDesign, you need to be able to control the color spaces (you don't want them converted to CMYK but you do want any ICC profiles included with content), image downsampling and compression type, no transparency flattening, etc. As indicated, only PDF/X-4 provides such options.

          - Dov

[rob day]

For placement in InDesign, you need to be able to control the color spaces (you don't want them converted to CMYK but you do want any ICC profiles included with content), image downsampling and compression type, no transparency flattening, etc. As indicated, only PDF/X-4 provides such options.

So are you suggesting the Illustrator document color mode can't be CMYK? And why not handle the downsampling and compression on the final export out of InDesign? What's the value of a potential double sampling and compression?

For example this simple Illustrator CMYK document has a placed RGB image with and embedded profile. The native text and colors are CMYK because of the Illustrator document mode. If I place an ai version along side a default PDF/X-4 version, and export the ID page as PDF/X-4 with downsampling and compression turned off, I see that everything is identical except that the .ai version's image has retained it's original, higher resolution. The PDF/X version has been downsampled, but I scaled it to 50%, so the downsample I asked for over in Illustrator has doubled. AI version on the left:

If I set the InDesign export preset to the default PDF/X-4  allowing compression and downsampling, both versions get the same compression applied and are perfect matches with their source RGB profiles included:

[seanf33852861]

Hello Rob, so for you I will not get and Encoding issues in my PDF?

[Dov Isaacs]

If you place RGB imagery (via link, not embedded - the recommended method of doing so) in an Illustrator document which is in CMYK mode, exporting PDF/X-4 (or with any options that don't convert color spaces) will result in a PDF file in which that RGB imagery remains in RGB with its associated ICC-based RGB profile.

In terms of the compression and downsampling, saving as .AI and placing that does indeed downsample and compress the PDF aspect of that file. It is lossy that way.

In terms of PDF/X-4, you can set those options any way you wish. Ideally, you should never downsample more than once on the way to your final PDF file although there are practical reasons for doing so. On the other hand, compressing and then recompressing JPEG images can be very lossy.

          - Dov

[rob day]

If you place RGB imagery (via link, not embedded - the recommended method of doing so) in an Illustrator document which is in CMYK mode, exporting PDF/X-4 (or with any options that don't convert color spaces) will result in a PDF file in which that RGB imagery remains in RGB with its associated ICC-based RGB profile.

Right, but I'm seeing the same with an .AI file. In my example both versions have correctly kept the RGB embedded profile.

In terms of the compression and downsampling, saving as .AI and placing that does indeed downsample and compress the PDF aspect of that file. It is lossy that way.

I'm not seeing that here. Illustrator's Links panel is showing me that the resolution of this placed file is 854ppi. If I place an AI version in ID at 100%, and export to PDF/X-4 with down sampling and compression turned off, Acrobat’s Object Inspector tells me the resolution is unchanged:

Furthermore there's seems to be a potential real problem with a default PDF/X-4 out of Illustrator. In that case my placed 854ppi image is going to be downsampled to 300ppi on the Save As because of the defaults. If I then place the X4 in InDesign, and scale the PDF up to 200%, the image's effective resolution is now going to be 150ppi, but the AI version is 427ppi.

PDF/X-4 bottom, AI top:

The PDF/X-4 version fails an InDesign Preflight when the resolution rule is set to 300ppi:

[seanf33852861]

Hello gang, Tried to replace one Vector into a PDF/X-4. I am still having my Wheel of color turning non-stop.

Its ridiculous, I mean its nothing as weight. I think I am going back to Sierra!.....HELP!!

[rob day]

I don't think you mentioned how you have your InDesign Display Performance set? Does it happen if you use Typical or Fast Display?

You can set the Display Performance globally via View>Display Performance or to individual placed objects via a right-click

[seanf33852861]

I am always on Typical Display, and my preflight is off too!....This just happen when I had to Erase my system, and the new Mojave system was installed, and I have indesign CC 2019. I did not have this issues when I had High Sierra. Can I go back to High Sierra, my tech says no. This is really slowing down my work!...

Give you and idea this a image bellow, you see every fraction, is a vector file....I need to convert this vector file into outline...The reason why...its for accessibility...thats a whole new topic...So every time I come back to indesign its slow!

[rob day]

So the table has 24 anchored .eps files outlined? How many tables are there?

Have you considered not outlining the text in Illustrator and, if the outlines really are needed, convert to outlines in AcrobatPro via Print production>Flattener Preview...?

[seanf33852861]

Hello Rob, I can't outline the whole document, cause of the accessibility. Is their a way to outline certain vector images.

But yes you are right the table you see is 24 anchors vector files.

Thanks Rob for the help!..Ia m going crazy doing this work today.

[rob day]

If you still have a problem after setting the Display Performance to Fast, I would try deleting your InDesign Caches folder and restarting, followed by deleting the preference folder and restarting. If none of that works try Saving As an IDML.

[rob day]

Tried to replace one Vector into a PDF/X-4. I am still having my Wheel of color turning non-stop.

Do you mean you placed one PDF/X and left the others as eps? How many eps files are in the entire document? What happens if you use Fast Display?

[seanf33852861]

Yes even if I put to Fast Display.

The whole document all images are in .eps and not outline.

When I generate my interactive PDF, I get Encoding issues with all this files, this is why I am converting my .eps to outline.

Accesibility.

Right now this document is about 100 pages, and it has over 700 .eps. But when I was with High Sierra ( MAC ) I did not have the lagguing issue so long.

I can convert directly from the PDF to outline I tried it, but I would like to see if I can do this indesign. as its more practical for me.

Thanks

[rob day]

Right now this document is about 100 pages, and it has over 700 .eps. But when I was with High Sierra ( MAC ) I did not have the lagguing issue so long.

I think you want to get rid of all the .eps files before you consider dropping back to HS. The conversion could be scripted.

[seanf33852861]

Hello, I can't get rid of all the .eps file, its part of the document!. but thank you for taking the time to answer me!

[rob day]

Hello, I can't get rid of all the .eps file, its part of the document!

But you can convert to 700 placed files to a more reliable format like PDF/X-4.

EPS is a 30 year old format with many different flavors. We can't say for sure if the .eps format is causing the problem, but it is a possibility.

[seanf33852861]

That I agree with you, but I tried .ai and a pdfx4, and I am having the same laguing issue!....

I really thought it was and option in my indesign

I think the only solution I have right now is to do the convert in the PDF itself!

[seanf33852861]

Ok I tried something,

I Copy a MATHTYPE ( vector )

into a completly new document, and I edit the vector file in illustrator, save it, and went back to Indesign and I did not have ay laguing cause it was only one .eps....but I know its not illustrator.

[rob day]

and went back to Indesign and I did not have ay laguing cause it was only one .eps....but I know its not illustrator.

What happens if you make a copy of the InDesign doc and delete 90 of the 100 pages?