How to Create an Unordered List Without Bullets in InDesign

[Walker31335233cnei]

Does anyone know if I can create an unordered list (for style and tagging purposes)  and not have the bullets show up? I am running into dead ends looking for this answer. 

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[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Have you tried to delete bullet symbol in the Bullets and Numbering section of the ParaStyle definition? 

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@Walker31335233cnei 

OK. It won't work for bullets - but as you don't want to have anything displayed in front of the text - switch to Numbers - and make the "NUMBER:" field empty:

Or it really has to be bullet list and can't be numbered one - even without numbers?

[Walker31335233cnei]

For accessibility purposes, I just want some kind of list. Hadn't thought to try a numbered list. I couldn't figure out how to delete a bullet so if I can choose no number, this may work! I'm going to look through these replies and see what will work best for my specific needs. THANKS for offering a suggestion. 

[Walker31335233cnei]

This produced the correct nested <L> tags in PDF on export. Woo hoo!! When I edited the full list I messed something up - but I think this will work for what I'm trying to do. I need to test the PDF with a screen reader, but this is a great start.  

[rob day]

Hi @Walker31335233cnei , Can‘t you do it with Space After and Indents?

[Walker31335233cnei]

THANKS for offering a suggestion. I need to use a paragraph style to make sure the PDF export is tagged properly for digital accessibility. I'm going to look through these replies and see what will work best for my specific needs. 

[James Gifford—NitroPress]

Use a space as the bullet. It's usually the first glyph in any selection grid when you Add a new bullet.

Or use a bullet style with color set to None. (That will still put a glyph in the text flow, which might confuse readers, accessibility, export to digital formats, etc. but should work perfectly for print and okay for PDF if the reader skips the character.)

[rob day]

Hi James, What‘s the advantage of a bulleted list with a bullet set to [None]— isn’t that the same as this?

[James Gifford—NitroPress]

It's just another approach that might not have side effects; adjustment of the indents can achieve the same thing either way. But sometimes, the ID, she don' like having basic elements messed with — so I threw that in.

[Walker31335233cnei]

If I manually design text to look like a bulleted list but do not apply a paragraph style for a bulleted list, the final PDF will not be digitally accessible. That's the preferred goal.

[rob day]

I need to use a paragraph style to make sure the PDF export is tagged properly

Sorry if I’m missing something, but you can make a Paragraph Style with any kind of Indent and should be able to edit the Export Tagging for that style:

[Walker31335233cnei]

Sure.  Sorry to be unclear. I want the tag tree to reflect a list so the reader can skip list items if they choose. In context,  I'm exploring using lists in InD to make an org chart where the threaded text will be one long list and any boxes and lines to visually connect employees are artifacts. 

[rob day]

Can‘t you set your Style‘s Export Tagging Tag to L with Bullets and Numbering set to None and a positive First Line Indent?

[Walker31335233cnei]

I'm not familiar but I'll look into it. 

[Walker31335233cnei]

Thanks for offering a suggestion. I need to use a paragraph style to make sure the PDF export is tagged properly for digital accessibility. I didn't see a way to edit the bullet color or select a space. That may work for what I need. I'll look into it. I'm going to look through these replies and see what will work best for my specific needs.