How to fix facing pages/Wire-O bleed lines overlapping issue?

[vixler]

I'm designing my ID document with facing pages. Because it's going to be bound with Wire-O, I followed the good advice here and unchecked Facing Pages and moved the pages apart. The red boundary lines should show the bleed.

In most cases the system seems fine, but there are some pairs of pages that have uneven or overlapping red lines. Overlapping ones are shown in the screenshot. If they are overlapping, what should I do? Why are some uneven? Is this because ID thinks they are for a traditionally bound book and is making some kind of binding choice?

Another question and I don't think I need a screenshot, is that sometimes there is white behind the pages, as shown here but in other cases there isn't--is that something I need to worry abnout?

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[Rene Andritsch]

Your screenshot shows that the bleed from both pages is overlapping because the pages are to close together. Select the Page Tool and then the right page. In the Control Panel click into the x-value and enter a higher value as you currently have. This should solve it.
pages too close together (also different y-value cause staircase)
The white background is the blank page. Make sure that your frame in which your illustrations are places reach to the red bleed lines all around if the the color should be printed to the edge of the page.

[vixler]

Thanks that did help, I pulled the right page down to match. But, I no longer see my bleed lines on any pages--don't know why--not sure if that's what caused it. I clicked away from Page Tool. ID is acting weird--like I used a layer mask, then merged a layer and it shows that image with a big weird white space! I quite out of ID then opened it again, still no bleed lines. Oh well, as long as my page-color squares cover the white I guess it's OK.

[rob day · Accepted solution]

I quit out of ID then opened it again, still no bleed lines.

Try clearing your Caches folder—interface glitches are often cache related. If that doesn’t work reset your prefeences.

Also you can use the Align panel to align pages. Select the spread pages with the Pages tool:

[vixler]

Thanks. Resetting the preferences fixed the bleed and weird image problem. I was not able to select both pages of a spread with the Pages too, maybe because I unchecked Facing Pages. I could try checking it again but am afraid something would get messed up.

[vixler]

With Show Parent Page Overlay on, I'm now able to select both pages. When the Pages tool is on I can't use the Properties panel to align, so I can't get that "align to selected" option and the Align Bottom Edges, so that works.

[Laubender]

"Another question and I don't think I need a screenshot, is that sometimes there is white behind the pages, as shown here but in other cases there isn't--is that something I need to worry abnout?"

Hi @vixler ,

yes, that is something to worry about.

Could be that the document is corrupt. Every page should show "white" behind its area when no object is on the page.

( Unless the standard swatch [Paper] is not defined with 0,0,0,0 for CMYK or 255, 255, 255 for RGB; something you should never change! )

Regards,
Uwe Laubender
( Adobe Community Expert )

[Rene Andritsch]

@vixler please show us a screenshot of an instance where the background is not white.

[vixler]

Here it is attached. This kind of things happens several times in the document, not at a regular interval.

[Laubender]

Hi @vixler ,

hm, I can hardly see anything relevant on your screenshot. Temporarily remove all objects from the page. If then there is no "white" area is showing up inside of the page's frame, then the document could be corrupt.

PS: Never had this issue myself, but there are some threads in the forum that are showing the issue.

Regards,
Uwe Laubender
( Adobe Community Expert )

[vixler]

Turns out I was just confused about the white space ... it was pages that had moved around. Thanks for your help.

[SJRiegel]

If you want to retain separate Parent Pages for left and right, and make use of the Align Toward (or away from) Spine, this method allows full bleed on a facing-pages setup.

[rob day]

Hi @vixler , You can avoid misaligned spreads by setting up two page, parent page spreads

Then use the Transform panel to move the righthand page of the spread.

Here I have the right page selected with the Pages tool, and with the Transform panel’s anchor position set to upperleft, I’m adding 3/8" to the X value, which puts 1/8" space between my 1/8" bleeds:

Also, if your page items crossover the spread, you don’t need the split pages because the bleed will be picked up from the opposite page, which is what you want in that case. So here I’ve made a crossover parent with no gap:

An Export to PDF/X-4 with printer marks and document bleeds:

[vixler]

Thanks I do have facing Parent Pages but that one got wonky for some reason--I think it is fixed since I pulled down one side. Though I no longer see my bleed lines.

[Rene Andritsch]

Are you maybe in Preview Mode?

or did you hide your guides? – also to find in the View Menu …

[vixler · Accepted solution]

I saw those screen modes today, but the problem was solved after I deleted the cache. Thanks!