ICC profile used, seen as „DeviceCMYK“ in PDF. Why?

[vvv---vvv]

Hi, I'm using Fogra 51 ICC profile in my Indesign, everything is correct while exporting but after a while, when I was possibly able to find where to find the info about ICC in PDF, I found only „DeviceCMYK“. Why I can't see PSO Coated over there, as it is done from INDD by export? („Barevny prostor“ means „color space“). Thank you for any possible explanation.

[John T Smith]

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[Brad @ Roaring Mouse]

What are your PDF export settings, especially for Output?

If you are looking for your Document Intent, that would be here:

...assuming you've exported your PDF using a setting that includes Document Intent.

The area you indicate shows any profiles that have been added to the file, like for any placed images. However, InDesign by default ignores any embedded CMYK profiles (which is a good thing, actually), so you won't see any there. You can override this by selecting Options > Color in the Place dialog when you place such an image, but there should be a realy good reason to so so. 

You can also change your Color Settings to Preserve Embedded Profiles for CMYK images (*which will only affect any new documents AFTER you make the change)

[vvv---vvv]

Thank you. I'm not sure I understand well. It is quite common practice for print, profile is necessary – for the specific paper. It is common to add for example Fogra 51 (PSO_coated3) into the Adobe (or at least InDesign) and export files with this profile. It should stay in PDF. It's desirable, needed. There is no „good reason“ to ignore such a profile. I believe you mean something different than I need to solve.

[rob day]

Hi @vvv---vvv , To get everything tagged, set the Standard to None and Profile Inclusion Policy to Include All Profiles

This would export all CMYK color with a profile, but in that case you run the risk of black only text converting to 4-color if there is a conflict at output.

If the tagged black text conflicts with the output profile there will be a conversion to 4-color even for small, black only text

[vvv---vvv]

Thank you but that's wrong. Unusable for print. I have this, which is OK for print, it should be like this if we need that profile. However, I can't see the profile MENTIONED in PDF. Device CMYK is not actually wrong, as it's „device CMYK“, in fact, and the device gives PSO_coated to it. But why is that „device CMYK“ written and not the exact name of the assigned profile?

[rob day]

Everything can get tagged, you just can’t use one of the PDF/X Standards.

Set the Standard to None and all objects will export profiled when Include All Profiles is selected. In that case everything will get tagged, but there will be no Output Intent Profile included.

[vvv---vvv]

This is the standard used by printer I must follow. So I cannot choose this option. It's available only for PDF X 4-2010. There is not PDF X 4-2008 on my Indesign (I use the last version).

[rob day]

The PDF/X-1a Standard converts all process color to document CMYK (the document’s assigned CMYK profile set in Edit>Assign Profiles).

The X-1a Standard does not allow profiles because it assumes all color should be converted into document’s CMYK profile, and there will be no additional conversions needed at output—the CMYK values should output unchanged.

If you expect the printer to make color managed conversions for you at output, you shouldn’t use the PDF/X-1a Standard.