Insert pages and set threads to new pages

[OzPhotoMan]

Hi all, 

I have a 123 page document and wish to insert 6 new pages in the middle. However, the text threads remain with the old pages. Is there a way to insert the new pages and have the exisitng text threads move to the in / out ports of the new pages? Or do I have to do it manually?

I have tried to do it manually by picking up the out port and dropping it into the in port on the next page, but that pushes the new page to the end of the document.   

[Eugene Tyson]

That shouldn't happen.

I can't think of a reason why a page would move to the end of the document. 

If you click the outport

Hold down alt

You can click on each of the new pages and it should flow to the new pages.

You'll see the icon change when you press alt letting you know the behaviour is different, you don't need to land on the port, just click the text frame.

[OzPhotoMan]

I can't seem to get that to work. To expand, all existing pages are already threaded. I have a mix of text frames and image frames in the pages.

1. I insert two new pages in the middle and create a blank text frame in each
2. I click on the out port in the page containg text before the first blank page.
3.  I hold alt down, then click in the first new page.
4.  The text from the page after the two new pages is inserted.

I dont wan't that, I want the new pages to be blank but with the threads added to existing text frames. 

[Eugene Tyson]

The text is flowing. 

If you put 2 blank pages.

Thread the new frames.

The text flows into the frames. 

If you want them blank you need to insert Page Breaks.

But it's completely normal for the text to flow - as you are threading the text frames - so the text will continue to flow through the threaded text frames.

Completely normal. 

[OzPhotoMan]

OK, I haver tried that before and that works, but that brought up another problem. Resolvable by reworking the document, but..

If you look at the first screen dump vs the second, by inserting the page break it changes the layout, moving the text past the image. Is there a way to overcome that? Can I link the image frames to the text frames so they all move together?

[Eugene Tyson · Accepted solution]

You should anchor your images.

You can cut them - and paste them into their own paragraph so they are flowing with the text.

https://helpx.adobe.com/ie/indesign/using/anchored-objects.html

[OzPhotoMan]

Thanks, that is working. It will take a bit of practice to get right, but that is what I want.

[Eugene Tyson]

Anchoring objects is quite powerful

If you're having trouble let me know.

[OzPhotoMan]

Thanks again, however I can't figure out how to increase the spacing between the top and bottom of the anchored object.

[James Gifford—NitroPress]

Spacing and text flow is contained in the Text Wrap menu. Select the object (image frame, inset text frame) and look at the Text Wrap palette:

The icons at top set the flow-around mode; the fields below set spacing to each side.

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[OzPhotoMan]

Hi Eugene. 

If I have an image that is full size on one page, how do I anchor that? 

[Eugene Tyson]

Same as you have done before.

It needs to be inserted as an anchored object within the text. 

Not sure if you are just going to the margins or full page with bleed

Margins

If you need the full page

You need to change the type of anchored object (alt click the anchor icon the Anchored Frame to access (or use the Object menu and enter the Anchor Object options.

So if your image moves from Right page to Left page (or page to page)

The bleed will automatically be positioned so you don't have to keep adjusting the image layout.

In the above screenshot - yo can see I set the image frame to be 213 x 303

That's because my page size is 210 x 297 and i have 3mm bleed 

So I don't need bleed on the inside - 213 is my width

But I need 3mm bleed on top and bottom - 297+6 = 303mm

Once You have your image size set

Then set the Position of the anchored object based on Relative to Spine

And set it to be anchored to the Page Edge

Then you just need to offset the top (Y) to -3 

X is ok for 0 - as your position is 0 from the spine.

Hope that makes sense.

[OzPhotoMan]

Thanks

[OzPhotoMan]

Hi Eugene,

Not going full bleed, slightly smaller than margins, centered vertically and horizontally. Can't figure out where to anchor, as there is not text. Do I place a CR and anchor to that?

Regards,

Steve  

[Eugene Tyson]

I did it in the first screen shot.

You just need a blank return.

Then anchor your text inline - see the screenshot 

Margins

[OzPhotoMan]

That's what I figured, just needed to confirm.

Another funny thing, unrelated, my images in this forum are now showing as attaqchments, not being embedded in the post. Not sure why.

[Peter Spier]

Dumb question here, perhaps, but if you want to reflow the text into pages inserted in the middle, how is that functionally different from inserting them aat the end?

[OzPhotoMan]

It's not, but I don't need to reflow the text in the pages inserted in the middle past the endo of those inserted pages. Basically I am inserting a completely new chapter in the middle of the book. Once that chapter is complete, there will be no need for reflow past the end of that new chapter, although of course I will need to reflow text in all the pages relevant to that chapter. Hope that makes sense.   

[Peter Spier]

Not really. I would break the text flow at the point it is complete for that section and .insert the new pages at that point.

But I may not understand your layout...

[OzPhotoMan]

Basically the original document was imported from Word as Word became to unwieldy for the project, which is an autobiography. I have used multiple text frames per page so I could insert image frames and control precises layout. However, the image frames were not anchored, causing issues I now know how to resolve, thanks to this forum.

[Eugene Tyson]

Yeh that's great to hear you are getting the answers. If you get stuck again let us know.

[James Gifford—NitroPress]

Flow is flow. If you simply add pages to the end, then create a new chapter heading somewhere in the middle, everything will just move down through pages.

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[OzPhotoMan]

True, this is exactly what happens if I use page breaks, but I was using the add new page functiom, which is where I ran into trouble. The reason for doing it that way was the images were not anchored. Now I have them anchored, it works correctly.  Still learning this app, steep curve.

[James Gifford—NitroPress]

Keeping everything in one connected flow, instead of, well, just sort of pasting elements all over the pages, is a basic, professional good practice. It makes all kinds of things much easier and "automatic," and is essential for most kinds of export and format conversion. It's worth the time to tidy up your document so that it's one flow with all images and text boxes anchored into that flow.

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[OzPhotoMan]

That is now what I plan to do, as I plane to export both to PDF for printing and to Affinity Publisher once I complete the document and my 3 month trial period of Id ends.