Nested Styles Help

[stephenh35064311]

Hello all,

I've been successful in applying nested styles in the past... but for some reason I'm not sure why nested styles aren't beeing applied using the same technique I've always used. I inserted a video for preference as to what I am missing. I'm sure it's an easy fix and was hoping someone could point me in the correct direction. Thanks for taking the time to review my issue.

[SJRiegel]

I don't see a video attached to your post.

[Barb Binder]

Hi Stephen:

You are not showing hidden characters in your video, so I can't tell if you are using soft returns (line breaks) or hard returns (new paragraphs). A forced line break means up to the next soft return/line break. I'm guessing you have hard returns: ¶ and that is why it is not working.

One tip, I find easiest to build nested styles with existing text so that I can watch the impact on the text as I work through them. 

~Barb

[stephenh35064311]

Barb,

Here are my hidden charecters below....

[stephenh35064311]

Barb,

In addition is there a way to convert the hard line breakes to soft returns? I don't see an option to deliminate by soft return, makes me wonder why it was working before and not now. Thanks for your help 🙂

[SJRiegel]

It looks like Next Style would be a better choice than Nested Styles for this. Set a new Paragraph Style for each separate paragraph, with the next style designated within. Then you can select all and use Apply Style, then Next Style to do the whole selection at once.

[Jongware]

I'm sure it will work if you did not apply your Provenance style to everything first.

You left that style selected when creating the character styles. That means that all new text frames will automatically use it. You play around with assigning "No Paragraph Style" but you missed that in the Character Style panel it never gets reset to "None".

Manually Applied Styles trump automatic styles, so that's why the override sticks. You can still use your current document, though; just select all text and apply "[None]". You will see that the Nested Styles then take effect.

[stephenh35064311]

Jong,

Thanks for bringing that to my attention however I was under the impression I did include that in the video but I just double to check to make sure that wasn't causing the problem and it had no effect.

[Barb Binder · Accepted solution]

Hi Stephen:

You did include your video, I'm not sure why Susan couldn't see it. You can use a find and replace to change hard returns to soft returns/line breaks. Susan's suggestion of using next style may be an option. I say "may" specifically because you have two paragraphs in a row that use leading and that will be a problem using the next style approach. Next style works best when each paragraph is different and it must follow the exact same pattern over and over again.

If you decide to use find and change just be careful to leave a hard return at the end of the section. You definitely do not want to turn your entire document into a single paragraph. 

~Barb

[stephenh35064311]

Barb,

You are correct that next style would not be an option.

I find it strange that I was successful in incorporating nested styles previously by using hard returns with the forced line break option in InDesign previously. Wish adobe made an option for nested styles using hard returns, so now just have to figure out a way to incorporate this into the work flow.  

[Barb Binder]

Hi Stephen:

I find it strange that I was successful in incorporating nested styles previously by using hard returns with the forced line break option in InDesign previously.

I don't know how that could have happened either and I'd love to get a look at the file, if you can track it down. Nested styles don't work with hard returns as an end point for the nested character styles, because paragraph styles always impact an entire paragraph. If you find the file and are willing to post it (or a small part of it) here, we can take a look and explain how it was set up.

~Barb

[stephenh35064311]

Great Idea! I'll grab an old file.... how would I share it?

[stephenh35064311]

Ok, figured out why I was succesful in the past. The line breaks copied over from InCopy as line breaks into InDesign previously. Now with incopy 15.0.1 the line breaks are there, but when pasted into InDesign they automatically change into hard returns (new paragraphs). So I'm assuming thats a different issue all together which has caused my nested styles issue. So hopefully I can find a resolution to that.

[Barb Binder]

Ah. That makes sense. And use File > Place in lieu of paste. That should do it. 

~Bar