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Notes de bas de page collées sous les titres, en plein milieu de la page

Explorer ,
Nov 20, 2024 Nov 20, 2024

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Ma question concerne les notes en bas de page.

Pour une publication périodique qui comporte de nombreux articles avec de très nombreuses notes.

La structure des articles est toujours la même : chacun contient un long titre, un ou plusieurs auteur(s), un résumé dans deux ou trois langues et puis l'article proprement dit (le body text).

L'ensemble se trouve dans un bloc en deux colonnes, mais les titres, auteurs et résumés occupent deux colonnes (option étendue de colonnes).

Or souvent, à côté de l'auteur se trouve un appel de note avec une note de bas de page qui donne des informations sur l'auteur.

Il se trouve qu'au lieu d'apparaître en bas de la colonne avec toutes les autres notes de la première colonne de body text, cette note apparaît sous le résumé en anglais, c'est-à-dire sous le dernier paragraphe qui utilise l'option "étendue de colonnes".

Comment faire pour que cette note soit en bas de la colonne avec les autres ?

J'utilise des notes de bas de page sur les deux colonnes de mon body text et ne souhaite pas que les notes occupent toute la largeur des deux colonnes. 

Première capture d'écran : l'article (un seul bloc en deux colonnes) avec les notes en bas de page qui courent sur les deux colonnes. 

Seconde capture : avec l'option "Ajuster les notes de bas de page aux colonnes", la première note apparaît intercalée sous le second résumé et avant le premier paragraphe du body text !?

 

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Community Expert ,
Nov 20, 2024 Nov 20, 2024

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Is this happening because you have multiple text frames on the page? Footnotes always show at the bottom of the frame they occur in. Can you rebuild the page using only one text frame? Design a 2 column text frame and adjust your top paragraph styles to span the columns. That should fix the problem you describe.

Mike Witherell

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Nov 20, 2024 Nov 20, 2024

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Hi, thank you for your quick answer / suggestion.

However… Nope, it is a single, 2-column block

The first paragraphs use "column span" option to span over the two columns. But there is a FOOTnote next to the authors' name that is supposed to go with the other footnotes at the … well, FOOT of the page.

It's a magazine with a lot of articles and lots of footnotes. Titles and abstracts lenghts vary a lot. Can't use a different block for the titles and abstracts in the master page, it's so nineties and counterproductive.

Please make it so footnotes appear at the bottom of the block, not under the last column-span paragraph. 
Looks like a big old BUG to me and several people have already mentioned that problem over the years. 
We don't want a workaround, we want something USABLE. 

Please?

 

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Adobe Employee ,
Nov 20, 2024 Nov 20, 2024

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Hi @Seb Zaremba,

 

Thank you for providing detailed information about the issue. I understand how frustrating this must be, especially when dealing with a publication that has numerous articles and footnotes.  

To help us better investigate and log this as a potential bug, could you share:  

1. A screen recording showing how this works in an older version of InDesign (if it used to work as expected).  
2. A recording of the current workflow where the issue is occurring. This will provide clarity and help us replicate the problem accurately.  

Additionally, if you’ve come across any other threads in the community or a UserVoice entry discussing the same issue, please share the link(s). This will help us consolidate feedback and prioritize a solution.  

Looking forward to your inputs!  

 

Best,
Abhishek Rao  

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Explorer ,
Nov 20, 2024 Nov 20, 2024

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Hi there, 

It's not a recent issue: it never worked how it should (or how users wished it should).

For the record, I'm using ID since version 2.0 back in the early 2000's.

I'm unsure what you mean about a recording of the workflow (I'm not a native English speaker) but my workflow is pretty simple : 

  1. I'm using a "master page" with one single 2-column "auto-text" block to create a blank page.
  2. I import a long text (usually multiple pages are necessary), then clean it (multiple returns and such).
  3. I select everything then I apply my paragraph styles sequence ("Big Title" then Next style, so that all the correct styles apply automatically).
  4. The 4 first paragraphs (as illustrated in the captures I sent in my first post) are designed to span over the two columns. Title, Author, Abstract (in French), Abstract (in English) are the 4 paragraph styles impacted.
  5. The footnotes parameters are set so that the footnotes appear at the bottom of each column. They must not span over the two columns. It works well for any footnote in the 2-column body text (mostly a single "Body text" paragraph style applied to the whole article).
  6. The problem is, any footnote reference located in any of the four first paragraphs – those who span across the two columns – generates a footnote under the 4th paragraph, i.e. the last "span" paragraph. So the first footnote in the text is automatically inserted in-between the english abstract and the first body text paragraph. Which obviously is a big problem.
  7. If I change the footnotes parameters by checking the "Span Footnotes Across Columns" checkbox, that first annoying "foot"note returns to the bottom of the (single) text block, with the other footnotes. The problem is, the client does NOT want the footnotes to spread across the page. They want footnotes from the first column at the bottom of the first column, and those from the second column at the bottom of the second column. Which works fine when there is no footnote reference in any of the four first 2-columns-span paragraphs.

Here are two ID files (numbered 1 and 2) that illustrate the problem. 

I have designed a complicated workaround to get what I want, but it needs a lot of manual shenanigans to work (removing the original footnote reference and putting it elsewhere within the 2-column body text while making it invisible, and not forgetting to manually replace the original footnote reference with a simple superscript number).

In that kind of workflow, such tinkering can lead to mistakes and/or oversights.
See what I have in mind in the attached PDF (numbered 3).

It works obviously, but it still is a painstaking, time-consuming workaround for something that should have been designed better (in my humble opinion).

Thank you for your time, I hope you will correct that feature soon.

 

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Nov 20, 2024 Nov 20, 2024

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OK! Your turnaround could be scripted! … So just 1 click, without risk!

 

(^/)

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Oops, I forgot… Here is another thread about a similar issue (it says "solved" but it is not): 

https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign-discussions/problem-with-headings-spanning-columns-and-footn...

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Jan 07, 2025 Jan 07, 2025

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Hi Abhishek Rao,

Did you get all I sent? Have you investigated this bug?

Thanks !

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Adobe Employee ,
Jan 07, 2025 Jan 07, 2025

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Hi @Seb Zaremba,

 

Thank you for the detailed information and for sharing the files and reference links. I appreciate your patience and understanding as we work to address this issue.

I’m currently checking this internally with the product team and will share an update with you once I hear back from them. 

Thanks again for your cooperation.

 

Best,
Abhishek Rao



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Nov 20, 2024 Nov 20, 2024

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… Hmm! A different way of seeing things!!  😉

 

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(^/)  The Jedi

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I'm sorry if I didin't make myself clear: the client wants the footnotes under the relevant column, not across the 2 columns like you did. Your footnotes are very short; theirs are quite extensive. See my examples above (INDD format) if you care.

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Community Expert ,
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 avec l'option "Ajuster les notes de bas de page aux colonnes", la première note apparaît intercalée sous le second résumé et avant le premier paragraphe du body text !?

Je ne comprends pas bien le problème : la seule façon pour moi de reproduire le problème est justement de décocher l'option « ajuster les notes de bas de page aux colonnes »

J'avais lu trop vite et n'avais pas compris que les notes de bas de page devaient se trouver sous les mêmes colonnes que les appels de note.

 

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Merci pour votre aide.  Je suis sceptique car avec les mêmes options, j'obtiens un résultat très différent (voir les fichiers INDD que j'ai postés plus haut, et le résultat souhaité au format PDF).
Dans votre second exemple, comment faites-vous pour que la note s'arrête à la largeur de la colonne ? Alors que justement, la case en question onlige les notes à s'étendre sur les deux colonnes.  (La version anglaise du logiciel est plus claire : Span Footnotes Across Columns = étendre les notes sur toutes les colonnes).
Si vous ajoutez des notes dans le body text des deux colonnes, que se passe-t-il ?

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Dans votre second exemple, comment faites-vous pour que la note s'arrête à la largeur de la colonne 

Tout simplement en mettant un retrait à droite de la valeur de la largeur de la colonne plus la gouttière dans les options du style de paragraphe appliqué aux notes. 

 

Si vous ajoutez des notes dans le body text des deux colonnes, que se passe-t-il ?

Ça ne permet malheureusement pas d'avoir la note de bas de page sous la colonne de droite. J'avais fait ma réponse avant d'avoir réellement compris ce que tu souhaitais obtenir, raison pour laquelle j'ai ensuite modifié ma réponse initiale.

Pour le moment, je constate donc le même problème que toi.

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Merci ! C'est ce que je pensais (le retrait à droite). En effet ce serait parfait si je voulais toutes les notes sous la première colonne. 
Mais les auteurs me pondent parfois des texte où il y a plus de contenu dans les notes que dans l'article lui-même ^_^ il est donc impératif de les répartir sur les deux colonnes. 

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