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Explorer ,
Oct 27, 2021 Oct 27, 2021

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Did Direct Selection Tool and Selection Tool just switch in the new update? 

Comparing to Illustrator, the Selection tool (V) is now the white one in InDesign, while still the black one in Illu. 

Is this a intentional mislead or a whoopsidaisy? 

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Explorer ,
Oct 27, 2021 Oct 27, 2021

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It definitely changed from previous version. 
So the question still stands. 

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 27, 2021 Oct 27, 2021

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It definitely switched. I feel like this has to be some sort of practial joke. Why did they do this? 

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 29, 2021 Oct 29, 2021

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I agree - it keep messing me up. So frustrating! Why.

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Adobe Employee ,
Oct 27, 2021 Oct 27, 2021

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The concept of Black Arrow and White Arrow came during the time when there was only the Light theme in all these Adobe apps, like InDesign and Illustrator. As you can see, the Light theme still shows them as Black and White.
The way to look at these icons now is that in the Light theme, the Selection Tool is Black - that is, it looks Solid/Filled. And the Direct Selection Tool is White - that is, it looks Hollow/Unfilled.
For InDesign, the same concept of Solid vs. Hollow for these two Selection Tools is carried over to the Dark Theme - in this theme, against the Darker background, the tool filled with White looks Solid/Filled. Similarly, against the Darker background, the tool with the same color as the background looks Hollow/Unfilled.
 
Just for comparison purposes, compare the following:
- Direct Selection Tool with Page Tool in Light and Dark themes - they have the same look, that is, they look hollow.
- Selection Tool with Pen Tool in Light and Dark themes - they have the same look, that is, they look filled.
 
Going with this logic, the way to look at these tools is - the Solid/Filled tool is the Selection Tool in all Color Themes. And the Hollow/ Unfilled tool is the Direct Selection Tool in all Color Themes.
 
Note: Illustrator is showing these tools differently compared to InDesign.
 

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Explorer ,
Oct 27, 2021 Oct 27, 2021

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Perhaps that makes sense to someone new to the UI and Adobe in general. 
For a user with 20+ years of experience with Adobe and with a slight OCD this is not good. 

Why switch in one program, and not in the others? 
It HAS to be a bug or slip-up of some kind. 

If the intention was for the tools to switch places I can better understand it, they just forgot to move the function. So it's still a bug. 

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Explorer ,
Nov 04, 2021 Nov 04, 2021

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I tap my forehead, wondering why making such stupid changes
instead of:
1. when I open a document and it has missing links so that the title of the document appears (because I can open several documents at once)
2. update index panel (it is the same for 15 years)
3. fix "show real size of document" (because it is not real size !!)
4. distribute objects - add a live preview option
the first thing 99% of users do = changes their keyboard shortcut back

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Explorer ,
Nov 04, 2021 Nov 04, 2021

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the first thing 99% of users do = changes their keyboard shortcut back

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Oct 27, 2021 Oct 27, 2021

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On my system, the arrows are different in the toolbox, but look "normal" when using the tool on the page.

Luckily, the keyboard shortcuts and position are not changed, which is how I normally navigate to them (90% keyboard shortcut, 10% selecting the tool manually).

 

I believe the change was intentional to add contrast, so technically not a bug. It's going to take me a while to stop referring to the tools as "black arrow" and "white arrow" however. 

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Explorer ,
Oct 27, 2021 Oct 27, 2021

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I had not noticed this, but it's the same here with me. 

That makes me think it must be a bug. Surely they would have changed it for illustrator and photoshop etc. too if it was meant that way. 

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Oct 27, 2021 Oct 27, 2021

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The teams do not necessarily work in unison. (How often do you see a feature in PS and ID but then takes forever to show up in AI?)

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Oct 27, 2021 Oct 27, 2021

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Well, confirmed, I can see this as well with my German InDesign 2022 on Windows 10.

Had to look it up, because I usually use the lightest UI available where this is not the case:

 

Light-UI-INDD-2022.PNG

 

I consider this a bug and not a intentional change.

Dark UI InDesign 2022:

 

Dark-UI-INDD-2022.PNG

 

vs. Dark UI InDesign 2020:

Dark-UI-INDD-2020.PNG

 

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Uwe Laubender

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Oct 29, 2021 Oct 29, 2021

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Well, I now changed my mind and do not longer consider the change a bug.

Ravi convinced me here:

"The earlier versions of InDesign were showing it incorrectly."

https://indesign.uservoice.com/forums/601180-adobe-indesign-bugs/suggestions/44360172--selection-and...

 

Especilly if I compare the design of the Page Tool icon as well.

Top row InDesign 2021, bottom row inDesign 2022:

TopRow2021-BottomRow2022.PNG

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

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Explorer ,
Oct 29, 2021 Oct 29, 2021

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but but... ocd !!! 
Change it in the other apps too!

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Explorer ,
Oct 29, 2021 Oct 29, 2021

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Also, top row is still black in the dark mode. Now it's white in the dark mode. 
I seriously dislike these changes, it feels so wrong to click on the white arrow, when you want the black one. 

Like when they reversed the transform scale in photoshop.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Oct 29, 2021 Oct 29, 2021

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Clicking to select tools is soooo 1990s. Keyboard shortcuts is where it's at! 😁

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Explorer ,
Oct 29, 2021 Oct 29, 2021

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I agree, but I also click on tools too. Some are more embedded in the fingers than others 🙂 

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New Here ,
Nov 03, 2021 Nov 03, 2021

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Agree 100% with this (and the OCD things below). It is driving me up the wall!

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New Here ,
Nov 11, 2021 Nov 11, 2021

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This is sooooo very frustrating. I can no longer work quickly and efficiently. It's like when they took the holding shift down to constrain an image in photoshop. So dumb! And what choice do we have but toi suck it up. I'm going back to a previous version.

 

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Nov 11, 2021 Nov 11, 2021

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Don't let it throw you off--it is really a minor change to make it consistent between different view themes. 

  • The tools are in the exact same position as always. 
  • The keyboard shortcuts are the same as always (v, a)

Using some of the most common keyboard shortcuts will double your work speed. 

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