Split Endnotes / Formatting Issue

[argzombies]

Hi all, this question is a twofold.

First of all, I started with the issue of wanting to have endnotes (starting at 1) per section of a larger, book-like document. So, for each chapter of 5-6 A4 spreads, there is a dynamic endnote reference section that ends each specific section. This is then followed by the start of the next chapter and repeat. After having ID initially throw all the endnotes to the same page at the backend of the entire document, I found I had it set on Document mode - however, on switching to 'Story', it proceeded to create an individual endnote page for every single page in the document, rather than just per each capped section?

My current workaround is to create each section as its own individual document, which I'll then compile at the end. However, I was instantly hit with a brand new problem - once again, the dreaded endnotes.

Pictured is the first reference point and its corresponding endnote:

But, when I insert an Endnote into a separate textframe below - but on the same page - it instantly overrides it as 1:

The only thing I can think that might be causing this is the fact that the 2 endnotes are in different text frames, but surely if the Endnotes are set to be drawn from the document in its entirety, they should be collating in order of appearance, not order of "which textframe do I go to next?"

I wasn't overly happy about not finding any realistic workaround to keep everything in a master document with sectioned endnotes - something that'd surely be logical from a print standpoint - however, this new issue is just as stumping!

Any third party scripts?

Am I being a giant idiot?

Thanks!

[Eric Dumas]

Can you confirm which version of InDesign you are using?

Also, regarding the sequence of the endnotes, aren't they ordered in the same order as they appear in the text. So if you create a new endnote earlier in your text, it renumbers all the endnotes appear after the latest addition? That's how it worked for me. I created 1, 2 and 3. but then added a 4th earlier than 1 in the text, which renumbered the endnotes within the text and at the end where they are collated.

About your chapter issue, you could consider creating an InDesign file per chapter and compile it all making a book (File>New>Book). So each chapter would have its own set of endnotes.

[argzombies]

Hi thanks for the reply - I am doing it currently as a Book format, so keeping each chapter as its own project!

Using latest InDesign on CC.

The issue I think is because the endnotes are being collated from 2 different text frames, but for some reason it prefers the later one over the first:

[argzombies]

Just as clarification, the 2 pictured started as 1, but the second I insert another endnote, it overrides and starts placing all others in sequence with the original at the bottom of the list. It definitely can't be due to historic textframe placement, as the blue box at the top was created before the underlying text...

[Eric Dumas]

I was able to recreate the same situation. With separate text frames.

It worked as expected when I put all the text together in a single flow and made it jump from frame to frame

[argzombies]

So, realistically, there's no way for ID to understand hierarchy of reference from placement in regards to page? I can't have the first reference in the same textbox as the others, as it is part of a standalone asset - will probably have to set them manually for this chapter then, if it's going to keep reverting the other way round....

[Eric Dumas]

I would copy-paste the text in a single thread and link the frames to appear in the sequence I need to get the endnote to be numbered in a sequence following the text flow.

[argzombies · Accepted solution]

Solved it - it seems it was definitely a problem in ID wrongly assigning creation hierarchy on the textboxes!

I made a duplicate of the document and removed all text altogether, then re-pasted the 2 boxes in individually in order of position importance and now it's having no conflicts with swapping the endnote around. It seems that ID assigns a concrete hierarchy to order of textbox creation as higher import than page position, as it considers the 2 textboxes as different stories within the document. That feature is probably helpful for magazine layout, as specific references may need to be moved about - but definitely should be toggle-able in settings!

Thanks again for looking into it!