Images and captions outside the text margins

[RuneEilertsen]

Hi!

I'm working on a large book with a lot of images. I have set it up with the captions hanging outside the main text margins and a lot of the images are bleeding outside the page area. I'm working with the files collected in a ID-book with "continue on next page"

My problem is:

If i have to insert a page early in the book for some reason the left/right pages will change in the following chapters. This messes up everything. Images will bleed to the wrong side and captions ends up near the spine. There is no obvious way to anchor the images because they are mostly on top of the page, pushing the text down. Grouping the image and caption is not an option either because the caption is very often aligned with the body text beneath the image. Grouping the image and caption with text wrap will push the body text down under the the captions.  

Images that are within the text margins will jump over to the next page as expected and stay in place relative to the text.

I don't think what I'm doing is the most uncommon layout on the planet, so hopefully Indesign has some way of dealing with this.

Any suggestions how to fix this is greatly appreciated.

Rune

[Derek Cross]

Add another page, such as a prelim page, to even up the book.

[RuneEilertsen]

Well, sure that is possible, but if the extra page is in the middle of chapter four that solution won't work. I wish there was some way of telling Indesign to mirror the layout around the spine without actually mirroring the content, just the frames. And there should be some ability to anchor frames to a paragraph or word, with text wrap applied, and keep the image on top/bottom of the page until the word or paragraph jump to the next page. Then the image will follow to the next page. Some kind of loose anchoring.

Rune

[Derek Cross]

What about extending the chapter by one page by maybe making the images larger, adding a little tracking to the text, adding some paragraphs etc.

[Laubender]

RuneEilertsen  wrote

… There is no obvious way to anchor the images because they are mostly on top of the page, pushing the text down. …

Hi Rune,

could you post a screenshot of a spread where frame edges are showing, hidden text is showing and a frame for an image is selected?

Also a screenshot after adding a new page after the even page in the spread.

I don't think there is an easy solution, but maybe we can ease your pain with a concept that makes it easier to adapt the layout after adding a page…

Best,
Uwe

[RuneEilertsen]

Hi,

Thanks. I was hoping there was some sort of Preference/Setting I was unaware of, but from the replies here it seems its not. I'm used to fixing this the "hard" way, by adding tracking or scaling images to keep the page numbers even. I just think this is something InDesign should tackle more smoothly. To add to my frustration I just realized that "undo" doesn't really "undo". I forgot to turn off "automatic update numbers" in the book files numbering options. I added a page that shifted the pages in all the following chapters and hit the undo-command. Now all the captions has aligned themselves to the bleed margin. They have moved 25 millimeters away from spine. Why?

I've attached three screen shots. Example 1 is how it should be. Example 2 is how it goes when a page is added and the pages becomes uneven. Example 3 shows how it goes when I undo after adding the "uneven" page.

I'm not sure if this is a bug or a feature. It sucks either way.

Rune