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Interesting article on in5 written by Keith Gilbert in the latest copy of InDesign magazine. Does anyone believe it's just a matter of time before we see such a feature as a menu item rather than a plug-in?

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InDesign and HTML5

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Interesting article on in5 written by Keith Gilbert in the latest copy of InDesign magazine. Does anyone believe it's just a matter of time before we see such a feature as a menu item rather than a plug-in?

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in5 doesn't belong to Adobe, it is a plug-in/add on for InDesign and is available for a monthly fee.

Export HTML5 from InDesign with in5 - Home

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Adobe would have to buy that company to bring it in.  It is a good product, i use it. it has limits and issues. so its not perfect but you can go from indesign to html fast with it.

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Hi Jonathan – what are in5's limits and issues, I'd be interested in learning.

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good question.

here is what i learned:

  1. You have options on how you can export. keep everything as images, keep the type selectable, svg the type. If you keep everything as images it all look like you made it in indesign, prefect. If you choose keep the text live ( staying in system fonts or google fonts is the thing you need have here) it has issues with bullets, it does not keep the indent. or text wrap issues
  2. You can't have links in an object that is inside a smooth scrolling frame. Unless you keep text live, but than you have the bullet indent issue i mentioned before. and text wrap issues.
  3. It has issues keeping big tables inside a smooth scrolling frame in place. its moves them sometimes.
  4. Animations all of the sudden don't work right. you might get it all set up. and after several rounds of editing other parts of the document you export and all of the sudden the animation blinks or its off.. just weird
  5. it forget button effects. i have done layouts of 90 plus pages with buttons all sharing state effects ( and running it in styles) and all of the sudden, you export and it forgets them or they are backwards.
  6. I have had numbered references at the end of an old document and i might have 4 pages with 100 plus references, in my layout the numbered bullets look fine. i export and the page number is off on one page.. again weird
  7. it has a limit of how much interactivity you can put on it. i had a popup, and inside of that popup i had an image with 19 buttons that would open other popups.  And it worked fine sometimes. other times one button would open the wrong graphic i had in the MSO..
  8. I have experience issues where the TOC worked fine till it just forgot the links.

overall, i say that it does not like when you revisit the document a lot. you keep editing and re-exporting and things just go bunkers here and there. but if work with Justin and you MacGyver your way you can resolve the issue.

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Many thanks, I'll keep a copy of that.

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I make magazines and emodules. so i create frames and link them to a page and in that page i might have a quiz made in articulate or captivate. works great.

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Hi Jonathan,

Thanks for expanding on this topic.

 

What really are the benefits of using a plugin/add-on like in5 when it seems buggy like you've mentioned in your analysis and we can use something like Indesign's undocumented feature "Export to "Fixed-Layout HTML" https://indesignsecrets.com/undocumented-feature-export-fixed-layout-html.php 

 

Keith Gilbert expanded the script and I have tested it with simple functionality and it works. It may not have any bells and whistles but if the stuff in in5 is buggy then what's the benefit using the in5 add-on?

 

Should a business like the in5 developer be worried that Adobe will build the functionality they provide in to Indesign? I have to justify to my business partners the extra expense in signing up for a third party add ons.

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I like IN5 export options panel, i have not seen that level of options in other  products.

 

download it and take a look, 

 

 

I know Justin he made IN5. He would be better for answering some of your questions.

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Adobe couldn't come close to what Justin has accomplished with in5.

BTW, in the future, perhaps you should check the dates of posts before making comments. This thread is over two years old. The additions to the feature set in in5 are very extensive.

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Yes, I saw the date but didn't realise there was a restriction to commenting directly to someones analysis no matter how old. Sorry for that.

I bought in5 last week and after having a test drive I am still unsure whether it's the bee's knees. 

When you say Adobe couldn't come close the what Justin has accomplished, that's a bold statement.

As a user who has respect for the Adobe developers no matter the shortcomings of specific software, surely if we push for specific functionalities then they maybe just might get included (specifically if soemone else is doing it). 

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Hi Jonathan, yes I like their export options too, I purchased in5 last week but am still trying to justify it. My question really wasn't about those export options it's about the extra stuff (interactive widgets, build wizards and enhancements). And as Bob Levine pointed out your analysis was 2 years ago, maybe I am now looking for an update to that - have your points been addressed do you think?

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If you have questions about in5 then contact Justin. He supports the product very well. If you find a bug or have a feature request, I can assure you it will be addressed a lot faster than anything Adobe would do.

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I will say the tech support has improved.  before it would take a long time to get an answer form them but it was just Justin doing it i think. 

 

I researched 50 different vendors (4-5 years ago). my criteria (fprovided by my  job) was:

  • Solution to go from indesign to HTML has to be cost effective - IN5 had that when you compare what you get for your money compare to others. see my link below.
  • Need to be able to host the files anywhere
  • has to work with freelancers workflow.. I only work with adobe DPS certified folks. so i can't have them use somethign that has a big learnign curve, thats not good for bussiness, it will drive you crazy.  if you know the work panels in indesign for interactive .pdf and DPS, you can work with IN5

 

Here. this is the reasearch i did:

https://shared-assets.adobe.com/link/425cee93-4023-4e9d-5158-4275d4658d34

 

From the 50 i called, emailed and interviewed i narrow it down to 11. Aquafadas was a strong contender too... 

 

It really has to do with cost, workflow and capabilites.  You have to find what works for you.

 

I dont' want web base stuff to load a flat .pdf.... thats not good for edits and moving things around.  

 

If a company buys this product..... is in my opinion that is irrelevant. you and i can't control that. Adobe does have somethign similar, its the publish online. but i personally think that should be used for commercial used since if adobe decides to stop that product/service or charge you extra for it.. what than? again, you and i can't control that. 

 

Test products and find what works for you. 🙂

 

 

I am happy with the product. does what i need it to do. it has improve over time. that is good. 

hope this helps 🙂

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he does, he listens. 

 

I have seen more additions on the eLearning side. I personally use indesign for eLearning modules. Yes, it can't connect to an LMS.. but many time people dont' want an LMS set up.. 

 

Indesign continues to evolve.

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Hi all,

 

This is the aforementioned Justin from Ajar Productions, creator of in5. Just saying "hi."

 

If you need anything, you can always reach out to us directly:

https://ajarproductions.com/pages/contact.php

 

As Bob mentioned, in5 has evolved a great deal in the last two years (and will continue to do so).

 

For instance, I just released an update to in5 that is fully responsive (using InDesign's Alternate Layouts):
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/responsive-layouts-using-indesign-more-in5-v36-release-putney/

 

I also now have several great people helping me with support (versus two years ago when it was just me doing 100% of everything).

 

My (admittedly biased) opinion is that this an area where 3rd-parties are likely to outpace Adobe. There's no money in this type of functionality for Adobe (and there's a big risk in looking bad if they get it wrong, even in small ways). They're not going to get new InDesign users this way (because it's not the core purpose of InDesign), so it just becomes a cost and a support burden to them (similar to how Publish Online appeared, but has been in a holding pattern for 6 or so years).

 

I have a lot more flexiblity, and I don't require 8-digit returns on investment, so I can offer more.

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So, are you saying that if a plugin developer has a good idea, then Adobe should copy those ideas and put the plugin developer out of business? That’s a great reward for innovation. 

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It seems to be the other way round - In5 has copied Indesign ideas and made a few wizards and some export functionality.

 

And, are you saying that Adobe should never consider implementing a functionality that has previously been identified as needed by the users? 

 

From what I've tested, In5 seems to be filling in the gaps that are currently lacking in Indesign - plus a few wizards to make it simpler to implement functionality that exists anyway. But what happens when Adobe actually adds the export to HTML5 properly? In5 would become irrelevant wouldn't it?

 

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You are quite the cynic. You also have no idea what you're talking about.

When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging!

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I though this was supposed to be the support forum for Indesign?

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Hi TheGalaxy,

 

I think this functionality that is useful for a subset of InDesign users. Remember it's fundamentally a print layout application.

 

Adobe has taken shots at this: DPS, Fixed Layout EPUB, Publish Online.

 

in5 existed before FXL EPUB and before Publish Online (and concurrent with DPS, if not before).

 

So it would have been impossible to "copy" ideas that didn't exist yet.

 

If you don't find it useful. No problem. Stick with the free script.

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Hi Alma, I've heard back from Adobe and they are working on the export to HTML5 as we speak. Hopefully we will not have to really on a third party plugin for this too much longer. 

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You're obviously new to this. Good luck.

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So, TheGalaxy, you really do want to push the third party developers out of business. Let me ask you this, I assume you are a creative person trying to make your mark with your designs. How would you feel if your clients refused to pay you, and instead insisted their big shot designers copy your ideas? Because that's exactly what you are saying when you say you want Adobe to take plug-in ideas and put it in the product.

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Not at all. Export to HTML5 is not really an exclusive In5 idea. 

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No, but it is the only one that's reality.

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FYI, I reached out to an InDesign product manager and received this response, "I can confirm that InDesign team has no plans to work on HTML5 export."

 

So it appears that your information, TheGalaxy, is not accurate. Not sure your source.

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TheGalaxy, is this from the online Adobe help?

They're not connected to the product teams, so I'm not sure how they could make such a claim. The product manager stated that this is not on their road map.

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Some bot just telling you what you want to hear. We get that all the time here.

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 If you think about how websites are developed there is limited use for single HTML coded pages. To develop a site of more than a few pages you need a content management system where the page display is scripted via a language like PHP (i.e., WordPress). An HTML5 export might be useful for sketching out a web page but it’s hard to see a huge demand for that, and it would just compete with the Publish online feature.

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> .. An HTML5 export might be useful for sketching out a web page ..

 

And even then the users of this function would complain loudly and vocally that Adobe sucks and it is a useless feature because that web page does not look anything like the paper pages they so labouriously produced with all of the running headers, columns, GREP styles, OpenType features, paragraph composing, text wrap around floating objects ...

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I do more websites than anything else these days and I'd just as soon get a sketch drawn on the back of a napkin.

I had a nightmare of job last year when a client insisted that a site I was working on be pretty much pixel perfect which might have been a thing 10 years ago but everything is responsive these days.

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We never use Indesign to make websites though. We make educational resources and are using HTML5 to replace the old interactive Flash content. The beauty of Indesign is the ease of quickly making up a resource that can be deployed to print and digital output.

 

With Flash essentially redundant now we are exploring the best workflow. Our designers already know Indesign so being able to get them to save to HTML5 without too much drama is the goal. Also, in our coder dept I know at least two of them deploy Indesign (along with other Adobe tools as required) to make various content that is then uploaded into whatever CMS platform the client has. 

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I know how to use a hammer. That means nothing when the job requires a saw!

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You're a funny guy.

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I'm a real hit at parties. With all this stay at home stuff, I have stay in form somehow.

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But imitating Flash’s capabilities would take more than HTML5 output, for Flash-like special effects there would need to be some sophisticated JavaScript output as well. The InDesign SWF export never did much more than the page flip. Ten years ago I did a fair amount of ActionScript coding and I never once considered using ID’s SWF export.

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