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Need help resetting ruler zero-point InDesign CC 2018

New Here ,
Jun 17, 2018 Jun 17, 2018

I have searched all over Google and these forums, but have come up empty handed on how to reset the zero-point of the rulers in InDesign. The advice of "double-click the box at the intersection of the rulers" has not worked. I've tried this after changing the ruler type to be "per page" or "per spread" or "per spine". I've tried a few other things, such as this script:

app.documents[0].zeroPoint = [0,0];

I've also tried closing InDesign, updating to the newest version, and opening a new document, but none of these steps have worked.

Any help would be much appreciated!

Here is my current workspace. Screen Shot 2018-06-17 at 7.39.20 PM.png

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People's Champ ,
Jun 17, 2018 Jun 17, 2018

Click the upper left box (at the intersection of the horizontal and vertical ruler bars) and drag it to the spot on your layout where you want the new zero point. In this example, the zero point is being set at the upper left corner of the page.

ZeroPoint-.png

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New Here ,
Jun 17, 2018 Jun 17, 2018

The zero point is marked at the upper-left corner of the page, but there is still a huge amount of space to the left of my actual page in the work area, that I have to scroll back and forth through, unless I zoom very far out. The image I posted is a bit zoomed out due to this, so it isn't super easy to see, but the top left corner of the page is marked as the "0" there. I want the top left corner of the page to be at the top left corner of my window/work space, without needing to scroll through negative 20" of rulered-space.

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People's Champ ,
Jun 17, 2018 Jun 17, 2018

Your screen is extremely zoomed out, which is putting a small layout in a "sea" of blank space.

2 suggestions:

  1. Change your zoom level. Use any of the zoom keyboard shortcuts to fit the window in your screen, or zoom to 100%. Also use the View menu to Fit Page in Windows (Control + 0 win / Command + 0 mac). See Adobe help at View the workspace in InDesign
  2. Close InDesign. Trash your preferences and relaunch InDesign.

Let us know if either of these  correct the problem.

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New Here ,
Jun 17, 2018 Jun 17, 2018

If I change my zoom level to Command+0 level of zoom, the workspace can fill up my screen as desired, but there is still a ton of unoccupied space to the left of it, that I accidentally scroll into (the lighter gray rectangle in the photo above). Before earlier today when I made the mistake of dragging out a new zero-point from the corner, there was no space to the left of my page in the work area, at any level of zoom.

I dumped all of my preferences and relaunched indesign, which did not solve the problem. There is still a lot of space to the left which I can scroll into on every document.

I'm really stumped as to what is going on.

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People's Champ ,
Jun 17, 2018 Jun 17, 2018

Check the Preferences settings, especially for Guides and Pasteboard.

Also, does this happen if you create a new document from scratch?

Does it happen if you open an older document?

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New Here ,
Jun 17, 2018 Jun 17, 2018

The problem persists both in reopened old documents, and when I create new documents.

In Guides and Pasteboards preferences, I found the first thing that made any difference!

The horizontal margin was set equal to the page width of 10 inches. I decreased it to 1 inch, and the excess space to the left of the document decreased correspondingly by 9 inches.

Also, when I then dragged the ruler/zeroing tool to the corner of the light gray rectangle, it set the corner of the light gray rectangle to zero, and the leftmost boundary to 8.5 or so rather than 20, but I can't get the number lower than that. The vertical ruler is also floating sadly halfway down the workspace, no longer attached to the top edge.

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Community Expert ,
Jun 18, 2018 Jun 18, 2018

alexanderm13621212  wrote

The problem persists both in reopened old documents, and when I create new documents.

The "light gray rectangle" is called the Pasteboard, and is a place where you can put items you that are not on any page (yet). It's similar to the light table people used before electronic publishing. What size are you trying to make it?

When you reset your preferences, it did not change the document preferences you made in prior documents. You may want different size pasteboard in different documents, as well as other settings that you have made for that doucument. So those settings stay with the document.

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Community Expert ,
Jun 18, 2018 Jun 18, 2018
app.documents[0].zeroPoint = [0,0];

Your JS is actually working. The [0,0] coordinate is the upper left corner of the document's trim and not the pasteboard.

I could manually set it to the pasteboard, but then the Transform panel wouldn't display coordinates relative to the page, which is usually what you want.

Screen Shot 8.png

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People's Champ ,
Jun 18, 2018 Jun 18, 2018

@alexanderm13621212, since you've done the usual fixes and InDesign still shows unstable responses (the wonky behaviors you've described), I think your software might be corrupted.

(Also want to acknowledge that you appear to know how to set the zero point and work with pasteboards, but InDesign isn't responding correctly.)

Try reinstalling InDesign. To do this, I recommend these steps:

  1. Launch Creative Cloud desktop app.
  2. From InDesign's options menu, select uninstall.
  3. Then shut down your computer (cold shutdown, not a reboot).
  4. Reboot the computer.
  5. Relaunch Creative Cloud desktop app, and reinstall InDesign.

Let us know if this clears up the pasteboard/zero point problem.

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New Here ,
Jul 21, 2018 Jul 21, 2018

Sorry for the belated response. I tried exactly what you described, a full uninstall and shut down to reboot, to no effect.

When I reinstalled InDesign, the pasteboard still extended 17" to the left of my document, and I can't seem to get it to reset with the intended double-click on the ruler intersection.

When I set the pasteboard margin from 8.5" to 0", it does subtract that amount from the Pasteboard on the left, but I have no means of collapsing away the remaining ~9"

Any other ideas what I might be able to try? Thank you all for your continued help.

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Community Expert ,
Jul 22, 2018 Jul 22, 2018

I think you are misunderstanding how the zero point works—it is relative to the page's trim and not the pasteboard.

You could eliminate the pasteboard, bleed, and slug, with a document set up as non facing pages. In that case there would be no pasteboard or bleed.

So the Pasteboard Options set to 0

Screen Shot 20.png

A new doc with no bleed with facing pages turned off:

Screen Shot 19.png

Screen Shot 24.png

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New Here ,
Jul 23, 2018 Jul 23, 2018

This has been the biggest help so far, in getting me toward my intended goal, however I am still not confident that the original problem was undone, as I never changed these settings before. I've attached screenshots to better explain what I mean:

1. Following the instructions of @rob day, I end up with a workspace looking like this: Screen Shot 2018-07-23 at 5.02.21 AM.png

This is substantively what I want, but was not achieved through undoing my previous error of dragging out the reticle from the top left corner of the workspace. The unchecking of "facing pages" made the difference, but this is not an option that I made changes to before. It seems also like adding a second page now results in the two pages being fully vertically stacked, a condition that was not present previously.

If I turn "facing-pages" back on, the output looks like this. With 9" of space to the left of the left edger of the page. This was not the way pages would load before the above discussed error/mistake was committed.

Screen Shot 2018-07-23 at 5.01.49 AM.png

See for example, if I add a second page with "facing pages" off:

Screen Shot 2018-07-23 at 5.19.42 AM.png

This is not how multi-page documents used to present, but at least the space to the side of the documents is down to 5".

Here is what a document looks like with multiple pages, and "facing pages" turned back on:

Screen Shot 2018-07-23 at 5.14.40 AM.png  

Unless I am mistaken, this is close to what the behavior for multipage documents was before I committed the pasteboard reticle error, however single page documents looked more similar to how the first image in my post, with "facing pages" turned off, appears. It may be noteworthy, also, that this last workspace is the only one in which the pasteboard makes a return.

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Community Expert ,
Jun 18, 2018 Jun 18, 2018

Hi Alexander,

I don't think this is the case with your document, but setting the zero-point will not work as expected ( that's a bug, I think ), if your spread view is rotated.

Best,
Uwe

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Community Expert ,
Jul 22, 2018 Jul 22, 2018

alexanderm13621212  wrote

… I want the top left corner of the page to be at the top left corner of my window/work space, without needing to scroll through negative 20" of rulered-space.

Hi Alexander,

to achieve this automatically you have to calculate the area of the pasteboard.

This area could be different for every spread. Depending on various factors like: Are there any objects on the pasteboard and was the minimum size for the pasteboard changed sometime after creating the document, were the pages in the spread ever rotated, etc.pp.

What you want, position the zero point at the upper left corner of the pasteboard, would require a script.

You can search the InDesign Scripting forum for a solution or some hints of a solution:

InDesign Scripting

Regards,
Uwe

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New Here ,
Jul 23, 2018 Jul 23, 2018

Uwe,

Thank you for suggestion. Perhaps I am doing a bad job explaining my goal. The way the pasteboard and everything else was configured was, as far as I can recall, completely stock InDesign. I did not make any adjustments to facing pages, and I certainly had no scripts employed. I know that I used the reticle that can be dragged out from the intersection of the rulers, and was unable to reverse the unintended change that using this feature created. Please let me know if I can better explain some aspect of this, I really do appreciate your and everyone else's help. I'm sorry if I am making errors in vocabulary usage or descriptiveness.

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Community Expert ,
Jul 23, 2018 Jul 23, 2018

Alexander,

I wasn't sure what you are after. Still I'm not, perhaps…

If you want the zero point at the upper left corner of the left most page of a spread:

1. Reset the zero point by double-clicking the cross-hair between the vertical and horizontal rulers

2. Make sure that the ruler origin is set to Spread Origin.

To change that, right-click on the ruler and some options will show up.

From my German InDesign:

CoordinateSystem-InDesign-RulerOriginSpread-zeroPoint-reset.png

Regards,
Uwe

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New Here ,
Aug 13, 2018 Aug 13, 2018

Hi There,

I started getting the same problem. I went to Guides & pasteboard, then made the vertical margin size larger, 11 inches in my case. Now it looks more like it usually does.

Hope this helps

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Community Expert ,
Aug 13, 2018 Aug 13, 2018
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ricke85466699  wrote

I started getting the same problem. I went to Guides & pasteboard, then made the vertical margin size larger, 11 inches in my case. Now it looks more like it usually does.

Hi Ricke,

Changing the size of the pasteboard does not change the location of the zero point. They are two different features.

I'm glad you found the solution for the making the size of your pasteboard the way you want it, though.

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