P: Toggling B&W Deletes all Radial Filters, Graduated Filters, and Adjustment Brushes

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Community Beginner ,
Apr 06, 2020 Apr 06, 2020

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The title pretty much sums it up. Create any combination of Radial Filters, Graduated Filters or Adjustment Brushes on your image. Make the image B&W (V). Toggle the B&W Adjustments off and you lose all of your adjustments. 

REPRO:
- launch LR Classic
- D to edit an image
- add any combination of Radial Filters (shift+M), Graduated Filters (M) or Adjustment Brushes (K). Just one will suffice. 
- V to convert to B&W (starting in B&W has the same effect)
- turn off the B&W adjustments (this is the HSL tab if the image is in color)

RESULT: All adjustments are gone. Poof! 
EXPECT: All adjustments to remain in place. 

LR Classic: 9.2
macOS: 10.14.6

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LEGEND ,
Apr 07, 2020 Apr 07, 2020

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What does the History list section show?

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Adobe Employee ,
Apr 07, 2020 Apr 07, 2020

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I cannot reproduce this behavior using 9.2 on 10.14.6. The Local Adjustments stay intact. 

Just Shot Me's comments are a good troubleshooting step. Watch the History panel as you do this and see what happens there. It might offer a clue as to what is going wrong on your system. 

I am not sure what you mean here: "(this is the HSL tab if the image is in color)"
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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Contributor ,
Apr 07, 2020 Apr 07, 2020

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I can confirm this behaviour on Windows, too, Rikk. Also, what he means is that the HSL tab is, well, HSL for a colour image and it changes to B&W when it's B&W. I think Sandro's just trying to make it clear which tab he's referring to when he says "B&W adjustments"

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Community Beginner ,
Apr 07, 2020 Apr 07, 2020

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I can not reproduce it using 9.2 on Windows 10.0.18362

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Contributor ,
Apr 07, 2020 Apr 07, 2020

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Yup, that's a strange one indeed

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Apr 07, 2020 Apr 07, 2020

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I can confirm the issue is present on my Windows 10 system using LR 9.2.

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Explorer ,
Apr 07, 2020 Apr 07, 2020

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I can not reproduce it on Mac OS 10.14.6 and LR 9.2.
Adjustments remain — both those applied in colour before -V, and those applied while in B&W — when back in colour after another -V

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Engaged ,
Apr 07, 2020 Apr 07, 2020

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Confirming the problem using Lr 9.2 with Windows 10.

With local adjustments applied, use the V key or click Black & White in the Basic panel to change Treatment to Black & White. Go to the B&W panel (HSL/Color in colour mode) and turn off the Black & White Mix using the small toggle switch.

Local adjustment pins vanish.

Switching the Black & White Mix back on doesn't restore the local adjustments and neither does convertring back to colour using the V key.

Pretty serious bug I'd say.

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Explorer ,
Apr 07, 2020 Apr 07, 2020

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Apologies.  When using -V to toggle back and forth between BnW and Colour, the adjustments and the pins remain.  Toggling the BnW mix panel does indeed lose the adjustments and the pins.

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Community Beginner ,
Apr 08, 2020 Apr 08, 2020

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That's precisely what I'm seeing. Thanks for the visual! 

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Community Beginner ,
Apr 08, 2020 Apr 08, 2020

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Someone asked to see the history. Here you go. The Update Exposure Adjustment was performed to make the adjustment area more visible. Note that the pins will reappear with an undo. 



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Community Beginner ,
Apr 08, 2020 Apr 08, 2020

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Please see the image of my history attached below. 

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Adobe Employee ,
Apr 08, 2020 Apr 08, 2020

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Ok. It appears I can only get the bug to manifest by toggling visibility on the B&W Panel. Thanks for the video Jerry. 

Double check my steps to reproduce:

  1. Place Local Adjustment on Image
  2. Convert to B&W ( [ V ] KBSC or Black & White in Treatment
  3. Toggle off visibility for B&W Panel
Actual: Local Adjustments disappear
Expected Local Adjustments remain. 
Workaround: Use Undo
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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New Here ,
Apr 08, 2020 Apr 08, 2020

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Interestingly, if you start your edits with the b&w panel toggled to the off position, you can't even create a brush stroke that stays.

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Community Beginner ,
Apr 08, 2020 Apr 08, 2020

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That's it, precisely! (and concisely)

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Community Beginner ,
Apr 08, 2020 Apr 08, 2020

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Good observation. I just confirmed this. 

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Adobe Employee ,
Jun 16, 2020 Jun 16, 2020

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Version 9.3, an update to Lightroom Classic, went live on June 15, 2020 and contains a fix for this issue. Please install the update and respond back if it does not cure the issue for you. Thank you for your patience!
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jun 18, 2020 Jun 18, 2020

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Rikk, LR 9.3 has fixed the issue on my Windows 10 system.

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