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P: (Windows) Panel is limited to 1600 items (folders, keywords, etc)

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November 15, 2011
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Lightroom bug - hit a folder limit and unable to select the newly imported folder.452497 photographs across many drives in one catalog.The S drive has 214341 photos. It's the largest drive and so had many more folders than the previous drives.S:\Master Photos\ contains ~1633 folders. I know that's a lot but that is how her filing system was started. Those are the sequential numbers from 2220 - 3853 but there may be a sub folder or two or deleted folder in there so that's why the number is ~ approximate.Folders are labeled "sequential number"-"date" so 3853-20150316Adding one more folder caused Lightroom 4 to not allow the last folder to be clicked on and not show any images. The T:\ drive (offline, collapsed and below the S:\ drive) was collapsed and the label was overlaid on top of the "Collections" section label. Updated to latest version of Lightroom 5 via her new cloud account, had it rebuild the catalog and the same problem occurred.Created a sub folder S:\Master Photos\2012 and moved 15 of the folders into that folder. The 2012 folder was expanded so the list was actually one row larger and the last good folder wouldn't open. I collapsed the 2012 folder and now all the bottom folders were accessible.It appears there is an object limitation or a fixed array or something that is causing the folder list to become finite. She said a similar thing happens on her keyword list until she collapses some of the groups but I didn't check that out.

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Paulou12

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Hi, I'm having issues dragging and droping keyword list into another keyword list for hierachy purposes. For some it works and for some it doesn't??? I'm using the latest version of LRC 12.2 on a Window 11. The way i'm doing it, i'm clicking on a keyword list, hold it , and try to drag it.

Thanks in advance for your replies!

dj_paige

Legend

No problem here. Please provide a lot more details, exactly what are you doing, tell us step-by-step. Do you see a red circle with a slash through it? Also please provide the following basic information:

Paulou12

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I'm adding my system info, if that can help!

Paulou12

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Hi Wonder if someone could help understant and rectify this. My LRC keyword list stops to the letter N, instead of showing me from A to Z. Eventhough I have picture which I can see have keywords such as Television, sunset, etc, the list stops to N.

Thoughts???

Thanks,

Paul

Ian Lyons

Community Expert

See https://www.lightroomqueen.com/community/threads/keyword-list-1600-word-limit.42860/ Windows limits the number of entries in a list to 1600.

Ian Lyons

Community Expert

The same limiation also applies to folders, etc More details can be found at https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-windows-panel-is-limited-to-1600-items-folders-keywords-etc/idc-p/12667790

Note that the thread includes posts from 2015 through 2022

mastix

Inspiring

This is a totally flawed component of Lightroom . It does not work correctly. Once you have many keywords, the program collapses. You cannot add anymore without seeing them. Trying to make a hierarchy might seem as a good solution, but it makes things worse, as then you have to deal with duplicate keywords in and out of the hierarchies. The List also becomes totally unresponsive once you have many keywords . You are not more allowed to drag and drop one or many keywords to a top hierarchy keyword if you have too many on the list and go to the lasts ones (something about a windows limit).

You can solve this creating "artificial" hierarchies like alphabet letters. But that brings a number of new problems. When you keyword and image. I use a Lightroom keyword plugin all those new keywords get saved outside the hierarchy. But you don't want to have them that way as if the lists becomes to long it will hit again the unresponsive problem because too many keywords. But now you have sometimes the same keyword inside and outside the hierarchy (if it is a new keyword no problem, but if it is one you have used before and put inside the letter you are on a road for headaches).

You cannot simply select a group of all letters with A now and throw them inside the A hierarchy because once Lightroom detects one of those duplicated you can not throw them all inside.

So now you have to go one by one and leave the duplicated one for later to deal with. Once you have done this (labor and time consuming) you now have to search for every duplicate one that is left out select the images , throw those images inside the duplicated keyword inside the hierarchy and delete the one outside the hierarchy ( DO NOT delete before you assign them to the one inside the hierarchy or those keywords will be deleted for those files).

All this could have been fixed by Adobe just letting us merge duplicate keywords or give us a click option do NOT create duplicate keywords and assign them wherever they where created first.

For me, this is by far the WORST implementation in Lightroom classic, and it gets not fixed over the years. Adobe is just not listening to customers here.

In my case, I don't recommend to anyone Lightroom as a Dam solution. For developing and retouching, yes. For classifying photos there are at the moment much better , advanced and above all responsive solutions.

FrostyOfTheNorth

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I had to add a year-based parent folder to solve the problem. It was a painful and otherwise unnecessary process. I wish Adobe would have addressed these issues instead. I don't know if they have since I posted about about.

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FeedbackCommunityMemberAuthor

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I am another user who has hit this limit within the past few months, and only just been made aware of the underlying cause. It seems to me that reaching ~1500 folders in a single parent folder is very likely, given that one of the import options is "organize by date" with a date based folder naming convention. In my case this was after around 8 years, with around 1600 automatically named import folders (\pictures\import\yyyy-mm-dd). Of course it's possible to work around the problem by rearranging the folder hierarchy so that import folders are (for example) in a year based parent folder, but that's a manual process, not a standard import naming convention.

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Renee48

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Is there a limit on the number of keywords allowed? In Library mode I cannot scroll down to the end of the alphabet.

johnrellis

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LR on Windows has always limited the number of keywords displayed in the Keyword List panel to about 1500. See this bug report:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/bug-that-causes-collections-and-publish-services-to-disappear?topic-reply-list%5Bsettings%5D%5Bfilter_by%5D=all&topic-reply-list%5Bsettings%5D%5Breply_id%5D=19142555#reply_19142555

Adobe has acknowledged the bug but marked the internal bug report as "deferred", meaning they explicitly decided to not take any action on it (they can always change their mind).

There are similar limitations on folders and collections:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/bug-that-causes-collections-and-publish-services-to-disappear

This is most certainly not due to a limitation of Windows. (After all, grid view in Library isn't limited to 150 rows, and Windows File Explorer can certainly display a list of more than 1500 files.) Rather, Adobe engineers took a shortcut way back when they first implemented the LR user interface. See here for technical details:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/bug-that-causes-collections-and-publish-services-to-disappear?topic-reply-list[settings][filter_by]=all&topic-reply-list[settings][reply_id]=19142555#reply_19142555

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johnrellis

Legend

You could be close to the maximum. The experience with keywords is that the behavior gets flaky and unreliable "near" the maximum. If you doubled the number of folders, you'd always encounter the problem.

FrostyOfTheNorth

Known Participant

If that's the case, then why does it work most of the time? This does not appear to be a hard limit. Like I mentioned in my original post, after messing with resolution and scaling the folders are back.

johnrellis

Legend

The workaround to this long-standing bug is to introduce more hierarchy into your folder structure and keep most of the parent folders collapsed.

The underlying limitation is on the size of the low-level operating system window, so as you increase the actual font size, fewer lines of text can fit into the window.

FrostyOfTheNorth

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I've run into something a few times with Lightroom (both older versions and now the latest version, Lightroom Classic CC 8.0) in which at times the folder list in the Library module cuts off and does not display the bottom folders. When that happens, the scroll bar is present but the folder list ends prematurely, often with dozens of folders missing at the bottom. That complicates things because my naming convention for photo shoots involves folder names that start with the date, so my latest shoots are always at the bottom. The solution has been to restart Lightroom -- and if that doesn't work, to reboot the computer. Eventually the folder view is complete again... until the next time.

I thought the issue might be an odd quirk localized to my computer but it happened again today as I'm migrating to a brand new computer. Brand new install of Lightroom Classic 8.0 on a clean install of Windows 10 Pro, with my catalog transferred over. I fired up Lightroom and right off the bat the folder view was cut off with a few dozen folders missing from the bottom of the list. I restarted Lightroom several times, rebooted the computer several times, but the missing folders remained missing.

Over the last few months I developed a hunch that this issue is related to screen resolutions (I have a 4K laptop with two larger external monitors) so I tried changing the screen resolutions and scaling settings in Windows and... after trying several options I got the folder list to be complete again.

It seems to me that there's a bug in Lightroom that doesn't always account for resolution and scaling settings. Anyone else run into this problem? I know I can filter the folder view for a specific folder name (which I didn't think to try when folders were missing), but I'm hoping this bug gets identified and resolved.

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