P: Develop settings getting pasted to other photos (without sync'ing) and getting stuck

[sunnyraini]

Hi folks,

I have these weird bugs that have been happening since the latest update and it is driving me crazy. It's a bit hard to explain but hopefully this is clear...

BUG 1

I'm in the develop module and I click to another photo and occasionally the develop settings from the first photo get applied to the new photo I just clicked on (I'll refer to this as the ghost settings). *BUT* it's not actually showing the develop settings being applied in the history. When I click on other actions in the history, it doesn't show the changes reflected on the image - it's still stuck on the developed settings it copied from the previously selected image (the ghost settings). Sometimes I have to leave it for a couple of minutes before it will revert to its own original develop settings. And if I edit while the ghost settings are applied then it's editing it with the ghost settings visible and I can't revert to the original develop settings. It's unbelievably frustrating.

BUG 2

Similarly - sometimes when I click to a different image whilst editing in the develop module, the image will reset. This shows up as 'multiple settings' in the history and I am able to revert this to the previous action in the history easily but it's also very annoying. There doesn't seem to be any pattern of behaviour/trigger as to why this is happening - that I can easily identify.

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1) AdobeStock

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[sunnyraini]

https://vimeo.com/851789394/ac88881669

Adding this to show Bug 1 in action... When I click to the second image it shows the proper edit quickly then changes to the ghost setting from the previous image. Then when I click on the different history actions, it does nothing. I then click back on the first image and then back into the second image again and you can see the proper edit flash up again before applying the ghost settings again.

[sunnyraini]

This is an example of bug 2 - I mouse-clicked to this image and it reset all the develop settings ('multiple settings')

[johnrellis]

"sometimes when I click to a different image whilst editing in the develop module, the image will reset. This shows up as 'multiple settings' in the history and I am able to revert this to the previous action in the history easily but it's also very annoying. There doesn't seem to be any pattern of behaviour/trigger as to why this is happening - that I can easily identify."

One of my plugin customers experienced similar symptoms: Clicking on an image in Library and then going to Develop causes Multiple Settings to be added to the History and all the develop settings get reset.  

He's been in contact with Adobe, who says there is an internal bug report filed on this. But I have no further information about it.

If you can find a repeatable way of making the bug happen reliably, please post the steps here (perhaps uploading a catalog's .lrcat file as well). In general, if Adobe can't reproduce a bug, it doesn't get fixed, and Adobe typically doesn't spend much time trying to reproduce bugs unless many, many people report the same symptoms.

[johnrellis]

Also, do you use any plugins during your workflow, e.g. the Copy Settings plugin?

[C.Cella]

@Rikk Flohr: Photography

I have been experiencing this bug as well for some days and I have submitted internally files to reproduce it steadily.

LRD-4213142

I as well as the author of this thread can't figure out the exact steps that cause this to happen.

[C.Cella]

@sunnyraini

After reverting back to the good settings in history try using "Read Metadata From File"

That stops the bug from reappearing for that photo.

.

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

I've moved this to bugs @C.Cella  and cross-referenced to your existing bug. I would expect that until precise steps are found and repeated, that the status will remain Investigating.

[C.Cella]

Thanks @Rikk Flohr: Photography

@sunnyraini can you please tell us if you are using a Plug-in ?

It would really help a lot and narrow down the issue.

.

[sunnyraini]

Hi folks, thanks for the responses - I am only using the plugs listed in the systems info in my original post.

Installed Plugins: 

1) AdobeStock

2) DxO PureRAW 2

3) DxO PureRAW 2 Importer

4) JPEGmini

5) Lightroom to Exposure

6) Nikon Tether Plugin

7) Pic-Time

Thanks for the tip about read metadata from file - though it doesn't really help the main issue that it can just arise at any time for photos. However it does make me think about something else... I have also noticed that often when I go to relaunch Lightroom it warns me it is still writing XMP data but it doesn't actually appear to be doing anything and I haven't been doing any mass changes just before. I wonder if the bug is related to this? Some sort of XMP data writing lag?

Thanks again,

Raini

[C.Cella]

@sunnyraini

Thanks.

Sorry I missed the Plug-ins part in your System Info.

As far as saving into XMP goes it happens as soon as a new step is written in history or new metadata is applied (if you have it active and not paused).

If you create a Snapshot in a VC the XMP is not saved immediately in the "Original"...a small bug.

If you have save into XMP paused it will be performed when quitting LrC.

I exclude categorically that saving into XMP is causing anything.

.

[sunnyraini]

Thanks for your thoughts. I have auto XMP updates turned on and never really had issues before with XMP data changes taking ages to write to disk (it doesn't matter how long I leave LR open, it still comes up with the same XMP warning). I'm just putting that out there in case they somehow relate, even distantly, to the bugs mentioned.

[C.Cella]

@sunnyraini

If you see LrC getting stuck at writing the same XMP/file then you are experiencing a known longstanding bug (LrC  fails to realise the file IS "up to date" and keeps writing the XMP ad infinitum)

Very simply: locate that file> save manually > read metadata

This fixes the bug...or rather it should.

[Axel Plan B]

Probiert doch mal bitte folgende Schritte:

Ihr nehmt Euch einen etwas größeren Input, (bei mir mehr als 1000 Fotos, bei weniger hab ichs nicht probiert), wendet auf diesen automatische Tonwertkontrolle im Entw.-Modul an.

Dann geht ihr in das Entwickeln-Modul und ändert z.B. den Kontrast, auf -30, wählt alle Fotos aus (Entwickeln oder Bibliothek ist egal) und synchronisiert nur diese eine Einstellung (Auswahl im Einstellungen synchronisieren-Fenster) 

Anschliessend schaut Euch willkürlich Fotos an, mal ein paar von vorne aus der Auswahl, mal einige aus der Mitte, einige hinten. 

Bei mir sind sehr viele Regler aus dem Bereich Tonwert (vorherige Einstellungen in Präsenz bleiben unverändert) wieder auf 0-Stellung gesetzt. Und zwar bei den meisten Fotos, nicht bei allen.

Kann das jemand verifizieren?

Version 12.5 Camera Raw 15.5  Mac Ventura 13.5.1
 

[JohanElzenga]

I believe this is a known issue. Do not try this with 1000+ files, but do it in smaller batches.

[johnrellis]

Moderators, @Rikk Flohr: Photography, please merge with this existing bug:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-develop-settings-getting-pasted-to-other-pho...

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

Greetings all,

Updates for the Adobe Photography Products have been released.  The October 2023 updates contain a fix for this issue. 

If you do not see the update in your Creative Cloud Application, you can refresh it by hitting [Ctrl/Cmd]+[Alt/Opt]+[ R ].

Note: It may take up to 24 hours for your update to be available in your Creative Cloud app.

Thank you for your patience.

[C.Cella]

I confirm the bug has been fixed.

I have tested extensively in my production catalog and in the catalog that I shared internally where it was 100% reproducible and it's not happening anymore.

[jasmeets22582373]

HI, i am still facing this issue. when i press next on any picture it show in he history " multiple settings" . i am using version 13.1 of lightroom with loupedeck.

[jasmeets22582373]

Hi, this bug is really annoying . it still exists even after the recent update.

the history shows multiple settings but no change in the picture. i gives me hard time to filter the pictures because i need to edit and deliver them in bulk. facing this issue from last 8 months.

[C.Cella]

I have seen the bug happening, but tis incredibly rare.