Jao vdL wrote: not because I have a card reader, a phone or a display calibrator connected.
In a fraction of the time you took complaining about this, you could have simply unplugged the three of those to eliminate the possibility. Would have saved you and all of those volunteers here on this forum that took the time to try and help a lot of time - regardless of whether it helped or not. Again the people replying here are fellow photographers - this is a community forum, not a way to get direct help from Adobe. If the presence of a display calibrator (or phone or card reader) is causing Lightroom to choke than that is clearly a design flaw in Adobe's software, but it is an easy fix for you at the moment. Regardless of Lightroom's flakiness with these I would strongly advise against having your calibrator connected all the time with a deamon running in the background that constantly updates the display profile. Just control the lighting conditions in your editing environment and recalibrate regularly. The constant updating of the display profile can actually cause you to make bad editing decisions. P.S. the video (didn't watch the whole thing but scanned through a few parts - don't have the time) indeed shows very sluggish, abnormally slow behavior. I edit a lot on a old Core 2 Duo (2 processors) machine (a MacBook Air of the first generation) with only 4 gigs of memory that is actually faster than that. I did notice strange cursors that I have never seen Lightroom do before and a lot of weird displaying artifacts. Are all your display drivers up-to-date and do you really have no extra stuff installed on that machine? |
I have ran lightroom without any extra things connected. Where I see the problem in trying to find the needle in the haystack by ourselves is that we don't know how the needle looks like. It could look like a small blue sphere for me and like a red box with holes for you. Let's say we unplugged everything, then what? Remove the memory sticks we have? Is Adobe going to also say "we recommend using Kingston Memory xxx or Corsair memory yyy". I think this is where it gets ridiculous.
My Spyder3Pro is not running all the time simply because I use it only for display calibration and it is just cumbersome for me to have to go behind the computer all the time and plug it in or unplug it as needed. We are in 2012, aren't we? Now we can remote control our TV and our cameras from our phones and I need to bend behind my desk to unplug a photographer's tool connected on your old-regular USB port? Again... I am running Lightroom 4 on the very same system and with the very same cameras I ran Lightroom 3.6.
I do not have anything weird installed on my computer other than Adobe Master Collection (not even the whole of it at the moment) Lightroom and several Album making programs (Asukabook, Photojunction, Blurb, and a couple of other Album and book specific software).
Yes, this is a members' forum, and this is where people help each other. And it is true that some people find help when their system has not been fully optimized but then again, they are not experiencing the real LR 4.x problems that many of us are. They would be having, and this is my guess, the same problems with LR 3.6.
If you read this thread fully as well as the other 1 or 2 where this problem is reported, you will see that everybody reporting their experience is having a different build of computer and even different OS. So we cannot even say, well, it is a problem with Windows or Mac. Heck, some people go as far as to having LR running in certain cores just because it doesn't work well in others (I tried that too, didn't work for me). Adobe hasn't properly addressed this issue in any of them. Not even on the one that is supposed to be the official one for reporting bugs and problems. Besides that, the official one for bugs and problems only shows the last 15 entries so it becomes useless to try to show a video of LR's behaviour there. It would get lost in no time while here it might stick around for a bit showing anyone wanting to see what it is to have a slow LR.
I do believe that with the computer i have I should be good even for Hollywood movies editing and special effects and complex rendering (ok... maybe a bit too far... or is it?)
Adobe itself has said that although the official forum is the other one (for reporting bugs, etc...) they do monitor this one as well.
You are right this is a member community aimed at helping others but without having at least some input or guidance from Adobe LR's team, we are just a bunch of blind people running chaotically around doing things (sometimes without any sense at all) and bumping into each other all the time. Do you think it makes sense to release a program this faulty (and let's give them the benefit of the doubt and say they didn't know about it) and still have the problem half a year later? Think about it: If ANY car maker gets a car out of the door with half the problems LR has, it would be bankrupt by now with all the lawsuits and recalls. But, like some people have said before: "They have my money in their pocket and no intention to "recall" Lightroom 4.x"
I recently had to take my old computer (5 years old 4 Gb Ram, Windows Vista!!! with only one Hard Drive for everything and the photos on an external slow HD (USB!)) on the road since I needed to have some photos edited and published before I would be home again. I was not looking forward to doing so. But I still had LR 3.6 on that slow and old computer (with only 5-7 GB of HD space left on it). I had forgotten how much fun I have editing and retouching my photos. I was done with it in 30 mins! Back home it would have taken me around 4-5 hours on LR 4.x to do the same task on a computer that is at least three times more powerful and with a stronger OS thant my laptop. Oh, but wait... I would even be happy if Adobe would give me a tool to convert my 4.x catalogues to 3.6. You see, that is a temporary solution that I would be happy with. Unppluggin my wacom tablet or my keyboard or whatever else might "disturb" LR's capricious ways, is not a solution to me.
Yes, it could be anything that I have plugged in my computer. It could even be my 26 inches NEC monitor. What should I do, unplug it and work on a low quality monitor instead just so I can run Lightroom? I tried the Corel competitor of Lightroom, I tried Phocus and an assortment of free similar programs and none of them complained about what I have installed or my card reader, or display calibrator... None. Except for LR 4.x
About the drivers, yes, I keep them all up to date. Funny thing is that I read somewhere, can't remember where now, that some people where having troubles with the last drivers from ATI and they had to revert to older versions of it. But, again, I've had the problems with the old versions and the new versions as well.
I would love to have to bite my tongue and that Adobe is going to release an update tomorrow fixing the problem but I don't think they have any intention whatsoever in doing so. Money is in the pocket... We'll get them again with LR 5.0...
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