How to Change the Name of a Normal(?)/Special(?) LrC Profile

[liw]

I successfully used J.R. Ellis’ Fix Presets Plugin for LrC – many tanks to John! Alas, it does not change normal(?)/special(?) profiles, only “creative” ones. I can’t even change the names of these normal (?)/special(?)  profiles, what I’d like to do. The creator of about 100 “camera profiles” that I bought did not put any camera name as a part of the profile name – you only find e.g. “aRGB Vivid …” (followed by the name of the producer’s company). When this is shown in LrC or ACR “Profile”, in LrC favorites or LrC History you have to solve a riddle if you own all 12 camera profile groups, the riddle “The profile of which camera did I use with this picture?”. One can change the names of creative profiles easily in Camera Raw (not in LrC - at least not after having used Fix Presets😞  After right-clicking on the profile name an according pop-up menu appears. But you do not have that possibility with these normal (?)/special(?)  profiles – another pop-up menu shows up.

So I tried to change the profile code with Notepad ++, a programming editor. Exchanging the old profile name with one including the camera name – e.g “aRGB Vivid …” with “Sony A7R4 aRGB Vivid,”...(followed by the name of the producer’s company) – stopped the profile from appearing in ACR and LrC, it did not show up anymore. I twice wrote to the creator, firstly he answered to something else than my question, a second answer I did not get. (But at least some of his profiles are really good.)

   I put 2 screenshots below: #1 is the profile code shown in Notepad ++ of a normal (?)/special(?)  profile, of which I cannot change the name, #2 is the profile code shown in Notepad ++ of a creative profile, name changeable. These two profiles I attached to this text. "aRGB Vivid..." is a normal (?)/special(?)  profile, of which I cannot change the name, "Crisp Warm soft" is a creative profile, name changeable*. Or you can download them from my account at MEGA’s if you like to help me or find out if your thoughts how to solve the problem are right - Link for downloading: https://mega.nz/folder/QsIjCRZL#xpJRVPPmT3CfZl3HJjMJ7A

Thank you for reading all this - and even more in advance if you will give me a hint or more!
Liw
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*The first profile one also gets in the creator’s  free sample, the second is a free profile of Matt Klokowski’s.

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[kglad]

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[liw]

Thank you, kglad!

[Jao vdL]

There are two types of profiles. Camera specific profiles and creative profiles. The aRGB Vivid profile is a camera profile that can only be used with raw files from the camera. You can see that from the "crs:CameraProfile" and "crs:SupportsOutputReferred="False" " properties. The Klokowski profile is a normal creative profile that is not camera specific. Those are the main differences between these two.

The property you should change for the name on of a prifle like this is all the way at the end:

<crs:Name>
<rdf:Alt>
<rdf:li xml:lang="x-default">aRGB Vivid - PerfeFilm Standard</rdf:li>
</rdf:Alt>
</crs:Name>

I just tried that and indeed it does not work and the profile simply does not show up. I would guess that there is something else going on with this profile but not sure what exactly. This approach normally works just fine and should work here.

[liw]

Thank you, Jao vdL!

Especially for the hint about  "camera specific" (profiles).

All these about 100 profiles I bought emulate different looks you get with 12 cameras, from Canon 5D III over Fujifilm X-T4 to Ricoh GRIII. They are adapted to the color of my camera, a Canon EOS D6 II - what means that these profiles should reproduce the looks very well to perfect for the photographs I shoot with this camera. And they don't appear / work with an older camera of mine, Canon D600.

[liw]

PS. These profiles  don't appear / work with pictures of camera Canon D6 (I), either.

[johnrellis]

We need to use precise terminology, made more difficult because Adobe, in its usual way, is often imprecise in its own terminology, with the product managers using their own terms when they don't like the terms used by the technical team. From the Profiles SDK:

DNG Camera Profiles (DCPs) "translate device-specific, scene-referred color data to a standard color space. DCPs also instruct the raw processor in the correct interpret of white balance. Every DCP is device specific

because the DCP file format may contain color mapping information for only one camera model

at a time." DCPs are usually stored in binary form in .dcp files.

Enhanced Profiles "only specify color, tonal and other imaging instructions to be applied after device specific data has already been translated to a standard color space." Enhanced profiles are stored in XML format in .xmp files.  The LR and CR user documentation calls these profiles "creative profiles".  I'll use "enhanced profile" in this technical discussion.

I have never seen DCPs represented as .xmp files. There is a third-party program "dcpTool" that will decompile .dcp files into .xml files and compile those .xml files into .dcp files. But I don't know if LR and CR will read DCPs represented as XML in .xmp files.

[johnrellis]

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The sample file "aRGB Vivid - PerfeFilm Standard.xmp" is an enhanced profile ("creative profile") that is based on the DCP ("camera profile") "PerfeFilm Standard v2.1 for Sony ILCE-7RM4":

crs:CameraProfile="PerfeFilm Standard v2.1 for Sony ILCE-7RM4"
crs:CameraProfileDigest="5219DA4B01073B2E65720D0B87F5305E"
crs:PresetType="Look"

When I import that into my LR with File > Import Develop Profiles And Presets, it doesn't appear in the profile browser, even though it gets copied into ~/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/ImportedSettings. This is because I don't have the DCP "PerfeFilm Standard v2.1 for Sony ILCE-7RM4" installed, and a longstanding LR infelicity fails to the warn the user. (I just wasted 20 minutes remembering that.) If that DCP were installed, then the enhanced profile would appear only for raw files that have an installed DCP of that name.

Do you have the DCP "PerfeFilm Standard v2.1 for Sony ILCE-7RM4"?  You can double-check by editing a Sony 7RM4 raw and seeing that camera profile listed in the profile browser.  The enhanced profile should only show up for those raws that have that DCP profile. I don't know why that profile would be available for Canons, unless there's a DCP named "PerfeFilm Standard v2.1 for Sony ILCE-7RM4" for each supported Canon. Look in the original installer/zip file you got from the developer -- which .dcp files are present?

If I change the relevant line to:

crs:CameraProfile="Adobe Standard"

and delete crs:CameraProfileDigest, then the profile shows up in the profile browser:

It can be used with raw files from any camera (because they all support the DCP "Adobe Standard") but not non-raw files because of these lines:

crs:CameraModelRestriction=""
crs:SupportsOutputReferred="False"
crs:SupportsSceneReferred="True"

I can change the group and name of the file by editing the fields crs:Name and crs:Group:

[Jao vdL]

Excellent sleuthing @johnrellis . You are absolutely correct that the absence of the "PerfeFilm Standard v2.1 for Sony ILCE-7RM4" prevents the profile from showing up. That is a camera specific profile and so the entire thing even if the dcp is present will only work for that specific camera. Of course you can hack it to be based on Adobe Standard but then the color rendering will likely not be like what is expected. 

[johnrellis]

"Of course you can hack it to be based on Adobe Standard but then the color rendering will likely not be like what is expected."

Agreed. I changed it to "Adobe Standard" just to verify that renaming and regrouping worked.