How to export your desktop presets as DNG for the Mobile Version?

[stefaniech49]

Hey there. So I am about to create presets for the lightroom Desktop as well as for LR CC (mobile). As far as I know these will be  XMP files when exporting. But for the Mobile users they'll need DNG files correct? So how can I do this? Do I have import these into LR CC on my laptop first?...

Thanks!!

[Rob_Cullen]

For mobile- The DNG file is simply any photo that acts as a 'carrier' for the editing metadata.

To make a 'DNG' preset, with an un-edited file in Lr-Classic you would apply a Preset in Develop, then export the file as a DNG. The Mobile App would then save a Preset (extract the develop edits) from the DNG.

[stefaniech49]

Hi WobertC

Thanks for your reply. The thing is: I want to be able to save presets as DNG (in a zip folder). So please can download it and import them directly into the App on their phone. Sorry maybe I misunderstood your answer, but I just dont get it ;/

[stefaniech49]

*people (not please)

[Rob_Cullen]

The workflow is-

You:  (In Lr-Classic)

1) Develop a photo that has been [Reset]

2) Apply a selected Preset.   (Example-  a B&W TINT  Preset applied) 

3) Export the photo as a DNG file-type.  (Give it a filename to indicate the Preset -eg. B&W TINT.dng)

Now you have a DNG file with the Preset embedded in the metadata.

You can combine multiple DNG files in a ZIP file to supply, but the Client will first have to extract them from the ZIP as individual photo files. I have no experience with ZIP files on mobile devices- sorry!

Client:  The other person (In Lr-Mobile,  iPhone, iPad, etc)

1) 'Adds' [+] (Imports) the DNG file to Lr-Mobile. The photo you used for the DNG will appear in the library as 'Recently added'.

(Example screen-clip is from Lr-Desktop)

2) Client 'opens' the photo in the Edit window and immediately opens the Preset panel, clicks the *** icon to [Create Preset]

3) Client can use the filename of the DNG for the Preset that is saved.

The Preset is now available to apply to other photos in Lr-Mobile.

[stefaniech49]

That helped a lot. Thank you so much 🙂

Maybe you could know the answer for another issue that just popped-up.

I am using 2 different camera types, Nikon Z6 (mirrorless) and a D850 (dslr). When I am opening a picture in LR with the Z6 I automatically have a color profil called "camera standard v2".

When I open a picture with the d850 I have the color profil "camera standard". So when I create a preset on a Z6 picture, and I want to apply it on a d850 picture, it says "profil not found" and the preset on the left basically turns "grey" and "italic", which means, I can't use it, and also not export it etc..

But the problem is....with a Z6 picture I only have the "camera standard v2" profil. I dont have an option to chose "camera standard".

Any idea how to solve this? Andy, yes, I do have the most recent lightroom update.

THANK YOU!!

[Rob_Cullen]

When you create a preset- leave the Treatment & Profile box unchecked.

A quote from the forum thread in the link below-

"In general, if the preset/profile is based on a camera model specific DCP then the preset will not show up for other images."

! Presets including raw profiles are sometimes available for non-raws, sometimes not | Photoshop Fam...

[stefaniech49]

Thank you, that helped! Perfect.

One last question (I'm sorry, terrible at technial stuff). When I export all the photos as DNGs..the files are huge. I wanted to compress them as a ZIP file but the File Size stays exactly that big. I need to be able to send small files to my customers and not like 80mb big.

Do you have experience with that as well? 🙂

[Rob_Cullen]

My tests indicate you can use any size file to have a Preset transported in a DNG file, and it does not need to be a raw format.

My test-

1) Select a small JPG file in Lightroom-Classic

It is 150Kb in Lightroom. Better than 80Mb 😉

2) Develop the photo and apply the Preset (Antique )

3) Export AS A DNG (it only increases in size very slightly)

4) Import this DNG file to Lightroom-Desktop

5) Now to immediately save the Preset.

I just presume that the editing steps preserved in the Preset will simply transfer in the DNG.

I do NOT know how camera profiles will affect anything in this process.

But- If a Lr-Classic Preset was specific for a raw image with a Camera Profile, then it would not work on a JPG anyway! (The Preset would be greyed out in the Lr-Classic Preset panel)

[stefaniech49]

Yes that makes more sense 🙂 So I imported a Jpeg that is only 134kb, applied the preset and exported as DNG. Funnily, the size increased to 450kb. So it did increase the file size quite a lot. Did you use certain settings? These are my settings (sorry it's in German), but it's the normal default settings when exportings as dng:

[JohanElzenga]

JPEG is lossy compressed, in your DNG export settings you did not choose that option. That makes it logical that the DNG will be larger.

[stefaniech49]

Yes because I don't want it to lose quality. I just wanted to be sure.

But with 10 presets, I would be at 4.5MB, which is still fine to send via email I would say.

[JohanElzenga]

You probably are, but if the purpose of these DNGs is just being a 'carrier' of XMP presets, then the quality of the DNGs is irrelevant anyway.

[Rob_Cullen]

the quality of the DNGs is irrelevant anyway.

Agree!

And for the OP -an idea for the preset "carrier" file-

[stefaniech49]

Hi Wobert

Remember the tip you gave me to leave "treatment & Profile" unchecked when creating preset? But so now another issue appears. I also have 2 B&W presets in my pack. In order to get the pictures B&W I need to keep the "treatment & Profile" box checked, anotherwise it will stay on "color". But then when applying a "color preset", it will remain B&W because with color presets I have the box unchecked.

Also, what's confusing is, when I look into older presets I bought in the past....when I use these and switch back and forthe from B&W to colored ones...it workes perfectly fine, but the "treatment & Profile" box seems to be unchecked as well. So how can this work then? Also, when applying B&W presets from others...the profile jumps to "Adobe Standard S/W" (see printscreen below). But when I reset the photo...I only see "Adobe MONOCHROM", but no "Adobe Standard S/W". Could that be the problem?...

My Adobe Profiles:

Adobe Profile when applying external b&w presets:

[Rob_Cullen]

My "tip" was meant only to avoid specific camera profiles - I understand "treatment & Profile" can be checked in the Preset if the Profile set is NOT specific to a camera.

ie. you can check T&P if using a general Adobe Profile. eg. the Adobe B&Ws.

My Example- 

I created a Preset (Untitled Preset 6) from a raw file using a Camera Matching Profile (monochrome). T&P was checked on.

When editing a JPG file- this Preset is NOT available in Classic!

"Older Presets" ? Now your questions are getting above my "pay grade" 🙂 I don't really have an answer, and everything changed when Classic 7.3 converted to XMP from the LRTEMPLATE presets.

(Maybe- An 'old' Preset may use desaturation to achieve Monochrome while still using a 'color' profile.)