Image count for Keyword is Wrong

[Mr. Foot]

This post describes a bug, one for which I have a crude workaround but I'd rather it was fixed.

I use keywords to identify my photos.  For example I have a Keyword Hierarchy for marine life.  I break that up into groups and families until I get down to the species level.  With each family I keep a "2fo <family name>" keyword where I put images that I think belong to that family but I am not sure to which species in that family.

For Example Dive > Rays & Sharks > Stingaree - Under that I have "2fo Stingaree", "Stingaree Common (Trygonoptera testacea)", etc....

Dive is the top level keyword, Sharks & Rays one level down etc

I have 31 photos of Stingarees which I had not identified so I tagged all as "2fo Stingaree".  I used the little arrow next to the keyword to display all my images and did some research and decided that some were "Common Stingarees" and some "Eastern Shovelnose Stingarees".  Having done so I used Grid View and selected the photos of the first species (photos taken at the same time) checked the appropriate species keyword, I then unchecked the "2fo Stingaree" keyword for those same images, I then moved to the next sequence of photos and repeated the keyword assignment and removal.  At the end end I had 25 photos in one group and 6 in another - making a total of 31.  The grid view was now empty but "2fo Stingaree" keyword shows an image count of 7. When I try to see these images by clicking on the arrow I get no images.  When a do a whole of catalog search for that keyword I also get no images.

This is has happened before when I have used this sort of workflow.  My detour in the past has been to delete the keyword attached to no images (but showing a wrong non-zero count) and then immediately recreate it.

I don't like this.  Is it a known bug?  How can I report it so that Adobe fix it at some point.

Thanks

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[John Waller]

Which version of Lightroom are you using?

Help > System Info.

[Mr. Foot]

Lightroom Classic version: 8.3.1 [ 201905241238-dcd7e2de ]

[GoldingD]

Could. they be in another catalog? Including backups.

[Mr. Foot]

I only have a single catalog.  All 31 images were present and visible until I reassigned them to the 2 other keywords.

[GoldingD]

And no filters applied? flag, label, rating, metadata, etc.

[Mr. Foot]

No Filters

[GoldingD]

When you select every image in your catalog, does a - appear to the left of that section of the keyword list?

[Mr. Foot]

Only to the keywords higher up in the keyword tree - I.E. only for Dive and Rays & Sharks.  2fo Stingaree had the check mark

[GoldingD]

https://forums.adobe.com/people/Mr.+Foot  wrote

Only to the keywords higher up in the keyword tree - I.E. only for Dive and Rays & Sharks.  2fo Stingaree had the check mark

But when you do select ALL the photographs? not just the 31 or is it 38 images under stingraee

Over upper left of the library module click in the All Photos collection (I may have that name wrong), select all of the images, then note in the keyword list if a - appears next to 2fo Stingree

[Mr. Foot]

I only have 31 Images.  I started with 31 in the "2fo Stingaree" keyword, I reassigned them, had the same 31 in 2 the reassigned keywords and 7 phantoms in the original.  When I click the arrow next to the Parent keyword I get 31.  I go through every image, it has just 1 keyword.  None have the "2fo Stingaree" even though the "2fo Stingaree" keyword shows a count of 7.

[GoldingD]

Clearly a disconnect, I can plainly see in your screenshot that you have images associated to more than stingrays, I am fairly sure that they are not Dive Maps, and while some of us might think of them as sharks, are all 19 images with the keyword shark, stingrays?

How about a screenshot of your library module, in grid view, in the all photos collection, with the folders panel visible?

I think, that I am not communicating well.

[Mr. Foot · Accepted solution]

Thank you for all your responses.  Pushed to think harder by them, I think have discovered my problem. 

1) I had allocated the "2fo Stingaree" keyword to every photo with a stingare I had taken on that dive (a folder in my catalog)

2) I subsequently went through and stacked some images together because they were taken very close together and were essentially the same photo

3) I then did my research, applied the species keyword and removed the "2fo" keyword.  These actions were only applied to the master image in the stack and not the hidden images in that stack.

4) I did not actually count the images in the Grid view until a few minutes ago when I discovered there were less than 31 images.  A stack shows up as one image in the views.

5) When I ask for all images via the arrow next to the keyword, I get to see images provided that keyword exists on the master image. 

6) Once I unstacked my images I could see the 7 hidden images.

So there is no bug with the image count.  But I would like to be able to locate an image with a keyword even if it is at the bottom of a stack.  I will open a new question and close this one as answered

[GoldingD]

One thing I clearly missed, apparently I assumed or read in,

Instead of using the keyword list to find images with a specifc keyword, use the library filter, specifically the Text filter capability.

Now, I have not gotten off my rear end and turned on a computer for this, still at my ipad, some this from foggy memory.

In Lightroom, in the library module, with a grid view (not sure if this works in loupe view) up top, above the grid, various filters (Text, Attributes, Metadata, None) to pick exist, Text being one, and within that, keywords.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7LB_E8xmAq4

How to find photos in a catalog in Lightroom Classic

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[Mr. Foot]

Thanks David, I had tried the Library search.  If the image is not at the surface of a stack, then I can't see a way that you can't find it.

[johnrellis]

Thanks David, I had tried the Library search.  If the image is not at the surface of a stack, then I can't see a way that you can't find it.

For stacks that are collapsed, the Library Filter bar only shows matching photos that are at the top of the stacks. Two ways around this:

- Do the menu command Photo > Stacking > Expand All Stacks.

- Use smart collections, which ignore stacking entirely and search the entire catalog, not just the currently selected source (folder or collection).