Issues with Subject masking when copying settings from Cloud photo to local copy photo

[jsipmki]

I use Lr Mobile to edit my photos during event shooting. When I am back at home I import my photos from camera to LrC and let LrC to sync the photos on Adobe Cloud. Because I want only to store the local copy (I will eventually delete the cloud photos) I copy the all the edit setting from Cloud photo to locally imported copy. Many cases there are several photos fro the same subject, but I have edited only one (in Lr), so I might paste the settings of one Lr edited photo to several photos in LrC. The issue is when I have used Subject Mask in Lr (Mobile). LrC can't "reprocess" the Mask correctly, instead it is showing the original photo mask in new photo. Even if I delete the Subject mask completely and create a new one, the mask is from the other photo (where I copied the settings). LrC never created/computed a new mask.

This works fine if everythig is done in LrC. I can edit one photo and create a Subject Mask. If I copy the settings from one photo to an other the Subject mask is "recomptued". If the photo editing is done in Lr side and you copy the settings in LrC from Cloud file to local files, LrC doesn't recompute the Subject mask and you even can't create a new one, because it's comptured based on the photo where you copied the settings.

Lightroom Classic version: 13.2 [ 202402141005-bf1aeb84 ]

License: Creative Cloud

Language setting: en

Operating system: Windows 11 - Home Premium Edition

Version: 11.0.22621

Application architecture: x64

System architecture: x64

Logical processor count: 12

Processor speed: 3,6GHz

SqLite Version: 3.36.0

CPU Utilisation: 7,0%

Built-in memory: 32663,3 MB

Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 1179,6MB / 5981,0MB (19%)

Real memory available to Lightroom: 32663,3 MB

Real memory used by Lightroom: 6230,9 MB (19,0%)

Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 11783,4 MB

GDI objects count: 1126

USER objects count: 4610

Process handles count: 7900

Memory cache size: 0,0MB

Internal Camera Raw version: 16.2 [ 1763 ]

Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5

Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2

Camera Raw virtual memory: 1513MB / 16331MB (9%)

Camera Raw real memory: 1588MB / 32663MB (4%)

Cache1: 

NT- RAM:0,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, Combined:0,0MB

Cache2: 

final1- RAM:352,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, _DSC3348.dng

final2- RAM:352,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, _DSC3350.dng

final3- RAM:352,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, _DSC3356.dng

T- RAM:1056,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, Combined:1056,0MB

Cache3: 

m:0,0MB, n:0,0MB

U-main: 154,0MB

System DPI setting: 96 DPI

Desktop composition enabled: Yes

Standard Preview Size: 1920 pixels

Displays: 1) 1920x1200

Input types: Multitouch: No, Integrated touch: No, Integrated pen: No, External touch: No, External pen: No, Keyboard: No

Graphics Processor Info: 

DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER (31.0.15.4633)

Init State: GPU for Image Processing supported by default

User Preference: GPU for Export enabled

Installed Plugins: 

1) AdobeStock

2) Flickr

3) jf Folder Publisher

4) Loupedeck2

5) Negative Lab Pro v3

6) Nikon Tether Plugin

Config.lua flags: None

[GoldingD]

This may have nothing to do with your issue, however:

Graphics Processor Info: 
DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER (31.0.15.4633)
Init State: GPU for Image Processing supported by default
User Preference: GPU for Export enabled

So NVIDIA driver v546.33. Over at NVIDIA v560.81 is shown as latest (Studio Driver)

You may want to update that.

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moving on

Lightroom Classic version: 13.2 [ 202402141005-bf1aeb84 ]
License: Creative Cloud

1. Why have you not updated to v13.4?
2. Your Lightroom Mobile, what version?

[CMass]

Hey @jsipmki, 

Echoing what GoldingD mentioned above. Can I also ask the location of your catalog on your computer? 

^CM

[jsipmki]

1. Most likely missed the pop-up of new version available. Will update and retest.

2. Lightroom Android v.9.4.3

[jsipmki]

Ok, I got some new info.

Upodated to latest version. Didn't have improvement to the phenomena, but...

There seems to be link to Loupedeck. Loupedeck provides two different Settings copies: Copy All Settings and Copy Develop Settings. Copy all Settings copies all the development settings of an image, including masking, while Copy Develop Settings do not copy crop, masking, lens prfole or transfrom settings (https://support.loupedeck.com/copy-/-paste-in-lightroom)

When using this Loupedeck Copy All Setting feature things start to go south. Subject Masking is not recomputed and new Subject Masking is based on the image where the settings were copied.

If I do Settings => Copy Settings (and inlcude maskin) => Paste Settings or Edit=>Copy => Paste in LrC everything works as expected. Masking is recomputed correctly.

So this seems more Loupedeck issue, i think, despite Loupedeck is most likely using Adobe LR SDK, so could be a feature (or lack of feature) at LR SDK.

And here the location of my catalog and other stuff.

Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Lightroom Classic

Library Path: Z:\LR Catalog\Lightroom Catalog-2-v13-4.lrcat

Settings Folder: C:\Users\myname\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom

[GoldingD]

How is this LoupeDeck Plugin used? Via the LoupeDeck dials/buttons?

Are you talking about a Lightroom Classic plugin, or a LoupeDeck plugin (one to populate the functions on the LoupeDeck)

I suspect this:

[jsipmki]

I am using a Loupedeck device which is configurable "editing console". The problematic functions are the ones you pointed in the screen capture. Loupedeck has own plugin for Lr, which enables the usage of Loupedeck devices in Lr.

As said before, I am not sure if this is Loupedeck or Adobe Lr SDK related issue. Reported this issue also to Loupedeck.

[GoldingD]

Ok, I can not repeat this issue on my rig. Appears that the issue  occurs when using the Loupdeck to copy the Develop Settings, or more specifically Copy All Settings (Masks are not copied in the Copy Develop Settings selection)

This selection:

And note in the link the author included:

• https://support.loupedeck.com/copy-/-paste-in-lightroom

The Copy All Settings does include Masks.

One not so nice issue, is when using the Loupedeck to do this, you do not get presented with the Copy Settings Screen. The LoupeDeck selection does not allow for selecting what to copy. This screen:

But, then, in that link above, that is basically stated.

Now as for the AI Mask, and in my case I tested with a Sky Mask, If I was working with RAW photos, the AI is was automatically recomputed.  If the target photo was a TIFF, then the mask needed to be recomputed. But the recompute worked. Also, I could delete the mask, thne create a new mask that had no relationship to the previous mask

My Loupedeck a Loupedeck Live, LoupeDeck software (to configure buttons) v5.9.1.19364. Loupedeck2 LrC Plugin v5.4.0.0, LrC v13.4

In summary, I cannot repeat.

[GoldingD]

One item I overlooked

2. Lightroom Android v.9.4.3

When you are having your Copy Settings, then Pate Settings issue, is that Android device connected to your computer?

LrC has a bad history of having issues when Android devices are attached. Might be a old issue, might have been fixed. But....