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well yeah. I imported and used Photoshop CC to crop and resize photos sent to the service
from yesterday's Thanksgiving Day game in Detroit, nothing else done with the picture. That one is uploaded here first. Then I used the settings recommended by trshaner to use in Lightroom CC, by setting just Saturation +15 and Shadows -10, and that shot is second.
stevek4 wrote:
well yeah. I imported and used Photoshop CC to crop and resize photos sent to the service from yesterday's Thanksgiving Day game in Detroit, nothing else done with the picture. That one is uploaded here first. Then I used the settings recommended by trshaner to use in Lightroom CC, by setting just Saturation +15 and Shadows -10, and that shot is second.
That recommendation is for correcting changes Adobe made to the Adobe Standard camera profile starting in 2014 Q3. Camera profiles are only used when processing raw files and not JPEG files. This has nothing to do with in-camera shot or exported JPEG file format image files.
This is "going down the rabbit hole" very quickly.
When wrong assumptions are made it inevitably results in misguided advice and lengthy threads like this one. The devil is in the details so let's clear up some confusion:
1) In your original post you said:
"Using Lightroom 5 or Lightroom CC I am getting poor quality exported pictures from the Nikon D500, when other cameras, D800E, D3S, D3, export with good quality. I am using the same export settings for any camera, JPEG, 300dpi, quality 90%, long edge 3216, sRGB. The images from D800E, D3S, D3, appear as expected, while those with D500 (Lightroom 5 or CC and ACR 9.7) have a degraded quality that looks compressed with additional noise."
Are you comparing NEF raw files form those older cameras to in-camera shot JPEG file format files shot with the new D500? If so you will see a difference, which is expected!
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When comparing JPEG image files from these different model Nikon cameras you need to make sure each camera is set to 1) the same picture style with 2) the same settings for Sharpening, Contrast, and Saturation.
When comparing Raw NEF files from these different model Nikon cameras you need make sure LR is set to the same exact Develop settings, which can vary if you've changed the "Default Develop Settings" such as the Tone Curve, etc.
2) You also said in your original post:
"This appears to be a LR issue, not with the camera, because processing with Photoshop 6 or Photoshop CC works just fine."
In your reply #16 you provided a link that now contains NEF raw files and XMP files with your ACR and LR settings. Examining those files I pointed out that you used a "Linear" Tone Curve inside LR and "Medium Contrast" Tone Curve inside PS's ACR plugin. So that explains why they look different.
This is not an issue!
3) You mention in reply #34 you said, "I'm assuming that this change will apply to editing JPG in LR CC, since that's what I shoot for sports events with the D500."
Why do you want to shoot JPEG file format images with the D500......which really takes us right back to 1) above. Can you clear that up for us? 
The folder with 2581611260892_Vikings_at_Lions image files does not exist. Try creating the Share link again. I agree with
2) It sounds like you are not applying the same 'Glossy Paper' 'Output Sharpening' to the PS ACR 'Workflow Options' as shown below. You don't mention what Amount, but below shows Glossy Paper> Standard settings:
Like I said the devil and differences are in the details....
stevek4 wrote:
The Tone Curve in LR CC is set to the default which is "Linear", and it is also "Linear" and it looks like that was the setting for these three images too.
By "it is" I assume you are referring to ACR's Point Tone Curve setting as shown below. It should be set to Linear same as in LR.
Regardless, applying Output Sharpening in LR, but not in PS is going to make the LR JPEG Export file look noisier (i.e. lower quality) for sure!
You need to create a Dropbox Share Link for the folder, Copy it, and then Paste it in your reply.
stevek4 wrote:
I am also NOT using any output workflow to get that dialog box that you showed above, so that is something I need to know where to find it and then to use it, since all I do is to save as, select quality and location, then save
The PS Camera Raw 'Workflow Options' panel is opened by clicking on the link at the bottom of the panel. The settings are very similar to the LR Export module and should be set the same for "comparison" purposes.
I was able to duplicate your issue of LR exporting noisier JPEGs than PS ACR when applying Output Sharpening. It was caused by a Corrupt Camera Raw Preferences file. Lightroom and Photoshop have their own Preferences file and so does the Camera Raw plugin. After I reset the ACR Preferences file LR and PS ACR renderings are identical, as expected.
Try resetting the Camera Raw Preferences file from inside PS by going to File> 'Open Recent,' hold down the ALT + CTRL + SHFT keys, and click on any raw (NEF) file. You should see the below box pop-up. Click on 'Yes.' You can also do this inside Adobe Bridge by selecting an image and then File> Open in Camera Raw.
Try the same test again and see if the LR and PS ACR JPEG image files now match when applying Sharpening. Use Matte High setting in both LR and ACR as we discussed so it will be easy to see any differences.
stevek4 wrote:
I did the reset in PS CC, and I'm not sure if doing the reset in Bridge 5 ( I only have PS & LR CC
You can reset the Camera Raw Preferences using either method.....you do not need to reset it in both PS and Bridge. It looks like you had success because the uploaded LR and ACR rendered JPEGs look identical.
How did this happen?
1) The corruption most likely occurred during a PS update or upgrade to PS CC 2017. During that process the current PS and ACR Preferences files are "updated" as required to support any new features. This would be labeled a "bug" if in fact enough users discovered it and complained. You would only be aware of this issue if you use PS's Camera Raw plugin with Output Sharpening selected. It is not selected by default and I suspect most Lightroom users create their output files using the LR Export module (self included).
2) It may also be connected to the changes Adobe made to the Adobe Standard Profile starting in 2014 Q3. If this is the case you will not see the issue (LR and ACR Output Sharpening is different) unless you are using a camera introduced in 2014 Q3 or later model. To test this you can download sample raw image files for any of the affected Nikon or Canon camera models at Imaging Resources: Camera Reviews: Over 500 digital camera reviews - Imaging Resource
Affected camera models (2014 Q3 or later)
Canon | Nikon |
7D Mk II | D810 |
M3 | D750 |
5Ds / 5Ds R | D5500 |
750D | D7200 |
760D | D5 |
M10 | D500 |
1D X Mk II | D3400 |
80D | |
1300D | |
5D Mk IV | |
M5 |
I suggest anyone reading this with concerns should run this test. The output JPEGs from PS ACR and LR (with the same Output Sharpening applied) should look identical. If the PS ACR JPEG looks less sharp then you have a corrupted Camera Raw Preferences file. Follow the procedure in my reply #56 above to reset it.
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