Masking is slow

[bostonpaper]

Latest release is painfully slow with even the first mask requested.  This is now worse than prior releases.  Whether GPU is enabled or not makes no difference.

Even the pins and lines for linear and radial masks when never hidden can be hidden.

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System info below:

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License: Creative Cloud
Language setting: en
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CPU Utilisation: 1.0%
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Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 6523.1MB / 8017.0MB (81%)
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Internal Camera Raw version: 16.5 [ 1954 ]
Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5
Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2
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Graphics Processor Info:
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Init State: GPU for Export supported by default
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Enable HDR in Library: OFF

Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Lightroom Classic
Library Path: D:\Photos\Lightroom catalog\Master catalog-2020-v13-3.lrcat
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Installed Plugins:
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3) Nikon Tether Plugin

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Any help appreciated, as workflow has slowed to a crawl at best..

[johnrellis · Accepted solution]

"DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti (32.0.15.5599)"

That driver is several months old. As a first step, update to the latest Studio driver:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/details/232604/

"Whether GPU is enabled or not makes no difference."

LR's AI commands inexplicably ignore the setting of Preferences > Performance > Use Graphics Processor. 

[bostonpaper]

Thank you, thank you.  The latest driver did in fact (as you knew) make a marked difference in performance.  Everything chases everything, updates in Windows, updates in LR, updates in video driver....it seems to take much of our time chasing the updates!  But, yes, markedly improved.

[bostonpaper]

A few remaining quirks with masking persist, even with the latest NVidia driver. 

When I add another mask, it takes many seconds but seems to appear faster if I click anywhere away from LR.  That is reproducible. 

The linear gradient pins don't always show even when Setup is set to Always.  Sometimes I have to turn them off and then on, with variable success. 

As well, the second monitor view sometimes persists for many seconds even after I have clicked out of LR, something I'd never seen before.

[bostonpaper]

After further help on the Bugs area, I downloaded the Nvidia app (beta) NVIDIA_app_beta_v10.0.2.210, used it to "tune" the video driver to LR, then upgraded to the latest Nvidia Studio driver and all has been well, stable and fast.

So latest driver alone did not do it but having it adjusted for LR did resolve all of the issues.

[jan_8844]

Hi,

I have almost same problem - When I want to use masks it is slow, not responding and freezing. When I want to Create New Mask I have to wait for 15 seconds then I can "draw" mask. 

How can I optimalized it to work easy and smooth?

Here is my configuration:

Lightroom Classic version: 14.1.1 [ 202412150940-551fb044 ]

License: Creative Cloud

Language setting: en

Operating system: Windows 11 - Home Premium Edition

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Thank you very much.

[bostonpaper]

I've struggled with this off and on, getting worse as more AI gets bundled into routine functions. My problem is with the pen tablet functions that are delayed, not mouse-generated functions.  You appear not to have a tablet.

I'd suggest you make certain your video drivers are the latest and that you download the Nvidia app to your computer, register LRC within that app as a specific program for the drivers to be optimized for and then try to work.  You may even need to start LRC from within the Nvidia app each time rather than from a desktop shortcut.

The issue behind this performance feature - or rather non-performance feature - is not clear despite hours that I have spent with patient Adobe techs and now their passing it up their tech chain to be evaluated.

[jan_8844]

Hi, 

I have laptot - Lenovo Legion. All drivers all actual. Nvidia is set for studio, not games ready.

It's crazy. I guess there have some problem with optimalization. It ran fine on the elder laptot few months ago. 😞

I hope they'll repair it. 

[bostonpaper]

The repair is not a hardware repair or a Lenovo fault.  It has to do apparently with the video drivers and the increasingly AI-enhanced LRC software.

If you go to the Nvidia site, there is t https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/software/nvidia-app/ an app that you can download.  Once installed, you instruct it to optimize the drivers for specific programs, in this case LRC. Once done, then you can try starting LRC from WITHIN that app where you see the LRC symbol and see that it is marked as Optimized.  That may solve your problem.

If so, and you have a subscription, get Adobe Support on the phone, show them the problem and the solution (for the bug) and this will encourage them to fix it for the next release of LRC.

[jan_8844]

I understand. 

I have Nvidia app and LRC is optimized. Still same problem.

I know that it's not same but for examaple games like Witcher 3 od Red Dead Redemntion 2 are running fine on high or very high grafics details. So I guess laptot is OK.

As you mentioned I try to contact support of Adobe.

Thanks

[johnrellis]

Beware that in the past, some have reported that the "optimizations" made by the Nvidia and AMD utilities sometimes have caused problems. So be prepared to turn them off if you encounter problems.

"I know that it's not same but for examaple games like Witcher 3 od Red Dead Redemntion 2 are running fine on high or very high grafics details."

The reason it's not the same is that games are generating gazillions of shaded triangles every second. Whereas LR is applying AI models to images, which uses GPUs in much different ways from games, ways that are still encountering lots of driver bugs and performance issues.

[jan_8844]

I was in contact with Adobe support and I get an answer I have to upgrade GPU or try to donwload old version of LRC.

So upgrade GPU in laptot is non sence, so I try to do "downgrade" of LRC.

I still think that the optimalization of LRC is absolutly terrible. 😞

Thank you for your advice, i try to turn off the optimilazation in NvidiaApp.

[bostonpaper]

In fact, many of us really appreciate the amazing enhancements in LRC, making work in PS less essential since so much can be accomplished non-destructively first in LRC.  Yes, it does take more computing power.

I imagine that if you are using a laptop and no pen tablet that LRC is not central / crucial to your daily work, which is why all of the enhancements are not enticing enough to upgrade processing power.  At least you understand what is happening and why.