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Operating Lightroom CC Classic via network drive?

New Here ,
Aug 01, 2018 Aug 01, 2018

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Is there any reason why I can't work on a Lightroom catalog from a network (NAS) drive?  My partner and I have a desktop PC and a laptop, both of which share the same Creative Cloud licence, but any Lightroom storage is restricted to either one local drive or the other. We also have a network file server on which we jointly manage all of our photo files. Our inability to work independently (although not simultaneously) within Lightroom is extremely frustrating. Does anyone know of a simply workaround to overcome this problem? 

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Aug 01, 2018 Aug 01, 2018

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It's a technical restriction.

Several users asked the same question. You can try to create a feature request. Maybe Adobe realised this feature in one of the next realeases. Feature Request/Bug Report Form

Here you'll find infos about the using of a catalog file on multiople computers:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/how-to-lightroom-catalog-multiple-computers/

My System: Intel i7-8700K - 64GB RAM - NVidia Geforce RTX 3060 - Windows 10 Pro 22H2 -- LR-Classic 13.2 - Photoshop 25.5 - Nik Collection 6.8 - Topaz Photo AI 2

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May 02, 2019 May 02, 2019

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It's 2019 now. Has Lightroom been updated yet to allow access to catalogs that live on network shares? We have several people (with their own Lr licenses) who work with several shared catalogs and there are version control problems when we keep having to remember to upload your catalog (and .lrdata folders) to the server when done and to download the presumably latest .lrcat and .lrdata folders from the network before going in.

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LEGEND ,
May 02, 2019 May 02, 2019

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LR Classic still doesn't allow catalogs to reside on network drives, and at this point, I doubt that it ever well.  See this article for alternatives (none of which are as good as simply allowing them to reside on network drives): https://www.lightroomqueen.com/how-to-lightroom-catalog-multiple-computers/

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LEGEND ,
May 02, 2019 May 02, 2019

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Prior to my retirement, I was a database manager at a university. At one point we were looking at a solution to share a database throughout the department, and one of our considerations was to use SQL Lite, which is the database engine used by Lightroom. The single user version was economically feasible for our department. However, when we considered using the multiuser version, the cost quickly became prohibitive. I think that is possibly the issue in consideration here. It would make Lightroom so expensive that most of us wouldn't be able to afford it. I could be wrong, usually am, but that is my suspicion and my take on it.

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LEGEND ,
May 03, 2019 May 03, 2019

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Jim, I think you might be remembering another database product. SQLite is open source and doesn't have licensing fees.  It's also solely for embedding in applications, and it doesn't have a multi-user server version (a la Oracle or MySQL).

The issue with catalogs stored on network drives is that SQLite relies on the filesystem to provide correctly working file locking, and when the LR team was testing this 12 years ago, many implementations of network file systems didn't implement file locking correctly. The SQLite documentation warned about it:

"One should note that POSIX advisory locking is known to be buggy or even unimplemented on many NFS implementations (including recent versions of Mac OS X) and that there are reports of locking problems for network filesystems under Windows. Your best defense is to not use SQLite for files on a network filesystem."

Senior Adobe engineer Dan Tull did some quickie experiments in 2007 and found that by simply disconnecting a network cable, he could corrupt a LR catalog stored on a file server.  Given that there were many potential network-attached storage (NAS) products with this problem, Adobe felt, not unreasonably, that the risk and cost of users corrupting their catalogs was too high. There used to be a hidden config.lua switch to override LR's prohibition, but that stopped working a long time ago.

See this long discussion topic starting here, including Dan Tull's contributions: Lightroom Classic and CC: Allow Catalog to be stored on a networked drive. | Photoshop Family Custom...

Twelve years later, and the landscape has changed considerably -- Windows SMB implementations are much more mature and Samba has become the standard non-Microsoft implementation of the SMB protocol.  LR has switched to using the write-ahead-logging mode (WAL) of SQLite, which has different issues with network files.   I'm not aware of anyone who has done recent tests with network-stored LR catalogs or written authoritatively about SQLite and newer file-server implementations.

Adobe has shown no inclination to re-examine the issue. Last year they changed LR to use the higher-performance write-ahead logging mode of SQLite and broke the longstanding ability to import from catalogs stored on network servers. Even though the fix for that is trivial, Adobe hasn't implemented it.  I'm not sure the LR team has the requisite engineering skills to re-examine competently network storage of catalogs.

Finally, note that there are two somewhat distinct issues: Allowing users one-user-at-time access to catalogs stored on network servers, and allowing multiple users to access server-stored catalogs concurrently.  The former is perhaps solvable with a small amount of re-engineering of how LR uses SQLite or perhaps doing a relatively low-level port to another database engine. The latter would require significant re-engineering of LR, introducing an application-level server architecture (and probably a database more amenable to that architecture, e.g. MySQL), and introducing new concepts and features into the user interface.

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Apr 02, 2022 Apr 02, 2022

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Answer is quite simple. Just map network location to a drive letter.  The drive letter wil show up in Lightroom source list

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Apr 25, 2022 Apr 25, 2022

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See my reply below, this won't work for the catalog

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Aug 02, 2018 Aug 02, 2018

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First you are breaking the terms of the license by having 2 separate individuals, 2 different people, use the same license. The 2 installs is so one person can use the software on 2 separate computers but NOT at the same time.

To answer your actual question, that was done above.

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Nov 29, 2018 Nov 29, 2018

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Adobe allows CC to be installed on 2 computers.  No license violations here. 

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Community Beginner ,
Jan 15, 2021 Jan 15, 2021

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It has been awhle since I have done this, but you could use an iscsi drive.  Have to manage the unmounting and mounting which is a pain, but it worksed when I last tested it two or three years ago.

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Mar 13, 2022 Mar 13, 2022

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Agree... This is defo possible to create an iSCSI target on the NAS

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I think we've established that Lightroom sucks for workgroup environments where we want to share a common catalog. Dealing with digital assets is increasingly a problem for any size group with multiple contributors and multiple designers/editors.

 

That said, does anyone out there know of a reasonable, quasi-efficient system for sharing a digital library on a network drive? A million years ago, this was the issue with fonts. Now we're dealing with images/videos, etc.

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Apr 02, 2022 Apr 02, 2022

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The answer is quite simple.  Just 'Map Network Drive' to the Network folder.  This creates Drive letter which will then show up in Lightroom as an available source.

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The answer is quite simple.  Just 'Map Network Drive' to the Network folder.  This creates Drive letter which will then show up in Lightroom as an available source.


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They are not trying to access photos on the NAS, but the catalog itself.  Windows can still detect that the mapped network drive is not local and LR Classic will not open the catalog.

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I have my catalog and cache on a dedicated 500GB SSD, but I'm looking at doing this so I can use the same catalog on my PC and my laptop.  iSCSI is probably the best way as Windows sees it as a SCSI drive and iSCSI is essentially SCSI commands encapsulated in TCP/IP packets.   But as has been said already, it's not designed for multiple users and may corrupt the catalog and violate the terms of the license.  You'd also need to make sure the cat is properly closed on one machine before opening it on the other.  If it's single-user do they use any form of locking on the DB?  I haven't tried this but want to give it a go.

Having just taken months to recover a corrupted calalog I for one never want that pain again.  Bit paranoid about it so now I backup (nearly) every time!

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