P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[John R Ellis]

@David_Latini1083, "I tried to remove a power line pole and the replacement was a white looking pole. "

There are likely a couple easy ways to remedy that: Uncheck Detect Objects, make sure any shadows and reflects are selected. If that doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[PEDRO27774332mxxh]

Buenos días:

Al utilizar la aplicación de "Quitar objetos" , selecciono el objeto que que quiero quitar y con el picel  selecciono el objeto que quiero quitar, clico la pestaña de quitar y el objeto no se borra del todo, el objeto queda borroso pero no desaparece.

El la aplicación tengo Activado: Usar IA Generativa, Detector de objetos,   Superposición de herramientas: Siempre

Desactivado: Visualizar tintas planas.  Ruego me indiquen como lo tengo que hacer para que el objeto se quite completamente de la foto. Muchas gracias

[John R Ellis]

@PEDRO27774332mxxh: "the object is not completely deleted, the object is blurred but does not disappear."

First things to check:

1. After clicking Remove, make sure the Opacity slider is 100. 

2. Are you applying Remove on top of an AI mask, e.g. a Sky mask?  If so, recompute the AI mask by doing the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings.  

If these steps don't help, see this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if that doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[RobHoglund]

I tried to remove the "orange" cord above the bench in both mobile and desktop versions, but it just doesn't do anything. Even the variations produce no results.

[John R Ellis]

@RobHoglund: "I tried to remove the "orange" cord above the bench in both mobile and desktop versions, but it just doesn't do anything. Even the variations produce no results."

With your attached exported image, I was able to quickly remove the orange cord with four different applications of Remove (see below).

The image's metadata indicates that you cropped the image along the top. So when you applied Remove to the top segment of the cord, Remove was trying to match the unselected, cropped-out pixels of the cord.  Adobe wants you to remove first, then crop, which doesn't match many people's natural workflow.

See this article for more details on how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

[RobHoglund]

Thanks, John. I think my problem was with opacity. Anyway, it's fixed.

[John R Ellis]

Glad it was easy to resolve. There have been a number of reports about glitches with Opacity, and the UI hides the slider compared to the previous version.

[lalocurapura]

I am trying to remove a child from the corner of a picture I took of my two kids, but the generative remove always puts me another child there, in all versions.....not very helpful

[John R Ellis]

@lalocurapura: "I am trying to remove a child from the corner of a picture I took of my two kids, but the generative remove always puts me another child there, in all versions"

1. Is the photo cropped?  If so, uncrop it, do the Remove, and then re-apply the Crop.  Remove tries to match the cropped-out pixels.

2. Make sure you select all bits of the child, even small ones that might be disconnected from the main part of the child (e.g. a hand around the shoulder).  And select any shadows cast by the child.

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Ozdachs]

I am trying to remove the car tire at the top of the photograph. All six (3 x 2) choices leave the tire in the photograph.

[John R Ellis]

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With your screenshot, Remove immediately removed the tire:

Things to check:

1. If you had previously cropped the photo, then undo the crop, do Remove, then crop again. Remove looks at all the pixels in a photo, including those that are cropped out, and it's generating replacements that match those unselected cropped-out pixels. Adobe wants you to remove first, then crop (which doesn't match many people's natural workflow). 

2. You might have to select more of the shadow cast by the tire. Otherwise, Generative AI can create replacements that also cast the shadow.

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. 

[kitv52694284]

I often get an error message with Generative Remove indicating that "Generative Rmoved Failed: We've encountered an issue and can't complete your request at this time. Please try again later". Any thoughts??

[kenneth_4368]

The Beta version worked much better.  This update doesn't remove any objects even small ones.

[John R Ellis]

@kenneth_4368: "This update doesn't remove any objects even small ones."

After clicking Remove, check that the Opacity Slider is at 100:

For some people, the update sets it to something less than 100.

[Blue Baron II]

I am using Lightroom Classic 14.0.1 on Windows 10.  I want to remove one of the generative replacements that I did. but it will not go away.  I right click on the idon and chose remove, but nothing happens.

[John R Ellis]

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@Blue Baron II: "I want to remove one of the generative replacements that I did. but it will not go away.  I right click on the idon and chose remove, but nothing happens."

That right-click menu is confusing. Select Delete, not Remove, to get rid of the chosen instance of Remove.

Adobe made some very confusing choices for the names of the command and its various modes (precision naming hasn't been their forte). The overall tool is called "Remove", and it's various modes are called "Remove" (the old content-aware), "Generative Remove" (aka Generative AI Remove), "Heal", and "Clone".   The first four menu items in that right-click context menu let you change the mode of the existing Remove tool selection, e.g. from Generative Remove to content-aware non-generative Remove.

[Blue Baron II]

Thanks. I figured that out after I posted my question.

[eXecutiveHippie]

I am trying to remove an arm in this image and i get told to read community guidelines. -.-

App ver: 14.0.1

System: windows11, intel13700k 64mb ram

[C.Cella]

@eXecutiveHippie Adobe censorship is kicking in.

Whenever there is some skin showing in the image (e.g. woman in bikini) then Adobe Ai thinks we want to generate p*** or nudity content.

Both legal in many countries especially the latter.

I want to make an example.

Female model wearing lingerie (lingerie job)

I try to remove a scratch ON THE BACKGROUND so not the model's body NOR what she is wearing.

Violation of guidelines!

It's nonsense and the same happens in Photoshop BUT in Photoshop it can be done with a simple workaround.

There is a way to bypass this nonsensee in LrC but you need to use a Plug-in (not because it allows illecit content OR hijacks the system) but becausee it allows to work properly with Remove.

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[John R Ellis]

Building on C.Cell's reply, Google's Gemini has similar problems -- both platforms try to prevent obscenity, outright pornography, child pornography, and other "unsafe" content, both because of legal restrictions  and to steer clear of political controversy, with large factions in the US and EU governments itching to regulate AI with a heavy hand.  AI is far from perfect at detecting "unsafe" content, so the platforms err on the side of too many false positives rather than false negatives.  I've been testing Google Gemini with tens of thousands of photos, mostly my own, and it incorrectly flags at least as much innocent content as Adobe Firely, often blocking innocent photos of fully clothed children.

The best thing you can do is (as you've done) post examples here of how the "safety" mechanism has failed.  Others have complained here too, but most haven't posted examples. To the degree that users stop using Adobe Firefly, Adobe will invest more effort in avoiding false positives.

[eXecutiveHippie]

Thank you both for your informative replies.

Adobe! get your sh!t together! we're actually paying for this product!

Figure out a way to vet your subscribers and turn the restrictions off!!

[evalsky]

Generative remove was unable to remove flash reflection in a window, and when someone's ear was in the vicinity, it made us look like elves.  Why does Adobe AI think that humans should look like elves?

[John R Ellis]

@evalsky: "Generative remove was unable to remove flash reflection in a window, and when someone's ear was in the vicinity, it made us look like elves."

It sounds like you may have had checked the Detect Objects selection, which often makes the selection too big. Uncheck it and then select just the flash with a smaller border around the flash that doesn't include human parts.

If that doesn't help,see this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Immaculens]

To be honest I'm surprised this is called the remove tool. My overwhelming experience is that it should be called the 'Replace with inferior options' tool... It rarely removes subjects properly, especially near the edge of images. Both Ps & Lrc should simply know by now, given how long content aware has been in use - that objects at edged of images should be completely removed and blended - not replaced with something similar, not removing just 70% of it except for stubborn leftovers. Just one example of the 3 options Lrc gave me below.
What is the trick?

[John R Ellis]

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You've cropped the photo. Remove looks at all the pixels in a photo, included those that are cropped out, and it's generating replacements that match those unselected cropped-out pixels. 

Adobe wants you to remove first, then crop (which doesn't match many people's natural workflow).  So undo the crop, do Remove, then crop again. 

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.