P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[johnrellis]

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@Blue Baron II: "I want to remove one of the generative replacements that I did. but it will not go away.  I right click on the idon and chose remove, but nothing happens."

That right-click menu is confusing. Select Delete, not Remove, to get rid of the chosen instance of Remove.

Adobe made some very confusing choices for the names of the command and its various modes (precision naming hasn't been their forte). The overall tool is called "Remove", and it's various modes are called "Remove" (the old content-aware), "Generative Remove" (aka Generative AI Remove), "Heal", and "Clone".   The first four menu items in that right-click context menu let you change the mode of the existing Remove tool selection, e.g. from Generative Remove to content-aware non-generative Remove.

[Blue Baron II]

Thanks. I figured that out after I posted my question.

[eXecutiveHippie]

I am trying to remove an arm in this image and i get told to read community guidelines. -.-

App ver: 14.0.1

System: windows11, intel13700k 64mb ram

[C.Cella]

@eXecutiveHippie Adobe censorship is kicking in.

Whenever there is some skin showing in the image (e.g. woman in bikini) then Adobe Ai thinks we want to generate p*** or nudity content.

Both legal in many countries especially the latter.

I want to make an example.

Female model wearing lingerie (lingerie job)

I try to remove a scratch ON THE BACKGROUND so not the model's body NOR what she is wearing.

Violation of guidelines!

It's nonsense and the same happens in Photoshop BUT in Photoshop it can be done with a simple workaround.

There is a way to bypass this nonsensee in LrC but you need to use a Plug-in (not because it allows illecit content OR hijacks the system) but becausee it allows to work properly with Remove.

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[johnrellis]

Building on C.Cell's reply, Google's Gemini has similar problems -- both platforms try to prevent obscenity, outright pornography, child pornography, and other "unsafe" content, both because of legal restrictions  and to steer clear of political controversy, with large factions in the US and EU governments itching to regulate AI with a heavy hand.  AI is far from perfect at detecting "unsafe" content, so the platforms err on the side of too many false positives rather than false negatives.  I've been testing Google Gemini with tens of thousands of photos, mostly my own, and it incorrectly flags at least as much innocent content as Adobe Firely, often blocking innocent photos of fully clothed children.

The best thing you can do is (as you've done) post examples here of how the "safety" mechanism has failed.  Others have complained here too, but most haven't posted examples. To the degree that users stop using Adobe Firefly, Adobe will invest more effort in avoiding false positives.

[eXecutiveHippie]

Thank you both for your informative replies.

Adobe! get your sh!t together! we're actually paying for this product!

Figure out a way to vet your subscribers and turn the restrictions off!!

[evalsky]

Generative remove was unable to remove flash reflection in a window, and when someone's ear was in the vicinity, it made us look like elves.  Why does Adobe AI think that humans should look like elves?

[johnrellis]

@evalsky: "Generative remove was unable to remove flash reflection in a window, and when someone's ear was in the vicinity, it made us look like elves."

It sounds like you may have had checked the Detect Objects selection, which often makes the selection too big. Uncheck it and then select just the flash with a smaller border around the flash that doesn't include human parts.

If that doesn't help,see this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Immaculens]

To be honest I'm surprised this is called the remove tool. My overwhelming experience is that it should be called the 'Replace with inferior options' tool... It rarely removes subjects properly, especially near the edge of images. Both Ps & Lrc should simply know by now, given how long content aware has been in use - that objects at edged of images should be completely removed and blended - not replaced with something similar, not removing just 70% of it except for stubborn leftovers. Just one example of the 3 options Lrc gave me below.
What is the trick?

[johnrellis]

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You've cropped the photo. Remove looks at all the pixels in a photo, included those that are cropped out, and it's generating replacements that match those unselected cropped-out pixels. 

Adobe wants you to remove first, then crop (which doesn't match many people's natural workflow).  So undo the crop, do Remove, then crop again. 

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Immaculens]

Uncropping first worked - thank-you ~

[X1Jogi]

Dauert im Vergleich zu Stempeln zu lange z.b. um Sensorflecken (Pollen, Staub, ...) wegzustempeln. Für größere Retuschen noch nicht probiert.

[johnrellis]

@X1Jogi: "Takes too long compared to stamping, e.g. to stamp away sensor spots (pollen, dust, ...). "

Adobe recommends you use the other Remove modes (Content-Aware, Heal, Clone) for correcting small spots.

[claude_4719]

Franchement, l'outil IA générative est nul.

[WalterD Madrid]

Lamentablemente la generación de imágenes en Lightroom classic no es efectiva.

Intento sacar un simple poste que cruza el cielo o eliminar una gorra que asoma con el fondo de suelo, digamos que fácil de eliminar, y me ofrece modelos de palo, o de gorra, pero no los elimina.

Pasando a editar en PS Beta, la eliminación es perfecta.

[johnrellis]

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@WalterD Madrid: "I try to remove a simple pole that crosses the sky or eliminate a cap that sticks out with the ground background, let's say easy to eliminate, and it offers me pole or cap models, but it doesn't eliminate them."

Using your attached JPEG exported from the raw, I was able to quickly remove the powerline, the pole, and the cap in the corner:

Things to check:

1. I deselected Detect Objects. It doesn't work very well, especially with skinny objects and objects touching the edges, failing to select all of the object and often making the border around the object (which is necessary) way too big.

2. The metadata for the two JPEGs indicates that you cropped the original raws. Remove looks at all the pixels in a photo, included those that are cropped out, and it's generating replacements that match those unselected cropped-out pixels.

Adobe wants you to remove first, then crop (which doesn't match many people's natural workflow). So undo the crop, do Remove, then crop again.

If that doesn't help, you could be tripping over an obscure bug ("as-designed" according to Adobe) in which for some cameras, like your a6400, the raw files have a hidden border of pixels that automatically get cropped out. It's easy to handle that too:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-discussions/generative-remove-doesn-t-ignore-the-hidden-bo...

You don't encounter this issue in Photoshop because a) It's Object Finder doesn't find the pole, wire, or cap, so you have to select them manually, and b) Photoshop's destructive editing model doesn't have the notion of cropped-out pixels -- they're simply not there.

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article.

[Rhonda22756048lpmw]

The new removal feature is driving me nuts. Rather than removing a person who should not be there, it's putting in a new and random person. The whole purpose is to remove the object not put in some other strange thing.

[johnrellis]

@Rhonda22756048lpmw: "Rather than removing a person who should not be there, it's putting in a new and random person."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[cdquint]

AI generative remove doesn't seem to work well when there are multiple items to be removed.  I had a wall with 3 signs (2 handicap signs (blue/white) and another white with black lettering on it.  It removed the white sign perfectly but not the other two. It replaced the sign with bizarre imaging--not even close!

[johnrellis]

@cdquint: "AI generative remove doesn't seem to work well when there are multiple items to be removed."

In general, Remove doesn't have such problems. What's going on in your case is hard to say without seeing the unmodified photo. 

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[ziggee123]

Often if I want to remove a distracting elment, say a bench or something. If I use the AI remove tool, it wont remove it and blend the background.  Instead it will replace the bench with some other weird or whacky bench intead.  I have also had to when I wanted to remove a destracting child from the background.  Intead of cleaning it up, it replaces the child with a random AI generated child.  

[sherwood77]

I agree. Waiting for Adobe to correct this.

David Kenny

[johnrellis]

@ziggee123: "Instead it will replace the bench with some other weird or whacky bench intead.  I have also had to when I wanted to remove a destracting child from the background.  Intead of cleaning it up, it replaces the child with a random AI generated child."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[ziggee123]

Thank you. I well try that. I’ll do some testing
Sent from my Vic 20

[Carlos De Carvalho]

apos a nova atualização..piorou muito.