P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[Bernard22916504bp0y]

nctionne pas avec des cables électriques dans un ciel uniforme. Rien ne se passe avec aucune variante.

[johnrellis]

@Bernard22916504bp0y: "does not work with power cables in a uniform sky."

1. Uncheck Detect Objects before brushing a selection -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos.

2. After clicking Remove, check that the Opacity slider is 100 -- LR infrequently changes it to something else.

3. If you applied Remove on top of an AI mask (e.g. Sky or Subject mask), do the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings to recompute the mask.

4. See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.  Power cables are no exception -- once you learn the tool, they nearly always remove easily.

[marcelp74552493]

Generative remove constantly requires update, even when it is complete

[johnrellis]

@marcelp74552493: "Generative remove constantly requires update, even when it is complete"

These symptoms can occur when LR can't write the .lrcat-data file for some reason, either because LR has corrupted it or there is a permissions issue. LR stores computed masks in that file. Try these steps:

1. Do the menu command Help > System Info. If you're not on the latest version (currently 14.3), do Help > Updates.

2. In LR, do Edit > Catalog Settings > General > Show. That will open Windows File Explorer on the current catalog folder.

3. Exit LR.

4. Move the file <catalog>.lrcat-data to the Desktop.

5. Start LR.

7. In Library Grid view (not Loupe view), select all photos and do Photo > Develop Settings > Update AI Settings. That will recompute all the AI masks, which could take a while.

[johnm15363283]

About one month ago, this feature was working excellently. Now it is worthless and does not function at all. It is unable to remove almost anything from the picture. Had to go back to the old methods. Very disappointing when was very excited previously when everything was working well. What have you guys done to ruin it?.

[johnrellis]

@johnm15363283: "About one month ago, this feature was working excellently. Now it is worthless and does not function at all. It is unable to remove almost anything from the picture."

Remove continues to work well for nearly everyone (otherwise, there would have been hundreds of complaints posted here). I suggest you start a new thread in this forum, describing in detail what you're seeing. Full-resolution screenshots (not phone pics) are always helpful. Do the LR menu command Help > System Info and copy/paste the entire contents into your post so we can see exactly which versions of hardware and software LR thinks you're running and important LR options that are set.

[S21878992z2pc]

Fantastic tool. Be great if it had a more flexibility: straight removal vs replacement

[Daniel336694186n1h]

Here are videos to explain my failed attempt to fix the Gen AI tool issue that I have been dealing with.  Updating all my edits doesn't work.  Batch updating doesn't work.  It remembers my edits for a minute and then forgets and tells me to update again and again and again.  I followed instructions about moving the ircat-data file, but Lightroom warned me it wouldn't remember my edits.  Please watch the videos and tell me what I need to do to fix this problem for good.  My previous post is this:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic...

Here are video screen shots:

Part 1:  https://youtu.be/2EsLN-8ix98

Part 2:  https://youtu.be/Y29BtTV_aZ4

[johnrellis]

"I followed instructions about moving the ircat-data file, but Lightroom warned me it wouldn't remember my edits.

It sounds like you didn't do the last step of the instructions above, after moving the .lrcat-data file and restarting LR:

7. In Library Grid view (not Loupe view), select all photos and do Photo > Develop Settings > Update AI Settings. That will recompute all the AI masks, which could take a while.

The actual settings of the AI edits are stored in the main catalog file. The .lrcat-data file stores the pixels computed from those settings by the AI algorithms and can be recomputed at will by doing Update AI Settings.

[Daniel336694186n1h]

Ok, I finally followed the instructions and I got this screen message for the first time.  

Please help!  I have client galleries that are due.

[Daniel336694186n1h]

Going through my galleries, every edit I've made has to be updated!  The batch didn't work.  Even after moving the ircat-data file to my desktop.   Look at reference photo in previous post.  Can you explain why this happened?  

I have 276,000 photographs.  Does every photograph I've retouched need to be updated?  Does everyone have to do this or did something happen to the latest version and this is only affecting me and a few other people?

My edits are now being remembered, but I had to update photos in my recent gallery individually, because the batch edit did not work.  

I am most troubled at the fact that all my past galleries need updating on all the edits and updating all pictures in the gallery as a batch does not work.  Is this a bug in a lightroom update or just my computer ?   I have a MacBook Pro, Apple M2 Max, 32 GB, Macintosh HD startup disk, 15.4.1, 449.85 GB available of 994.66 GB.  If I can get an answer to this, please let me know.  I can't imagine having to go through all my galleries and updating every individual photo!   

Do you have customer support over the phone?  

[Daniel336694186n1h]

@johnrellis 

I did what you told me to do and doesn't fix totally.  Please look at my replies for this post that I forgot to tag you in.  

[Daniel336694186n1h]

@johnrellis Please look at replies

[bobd-seekeroflight]

Excellent video sharing what is happening, thank you.  This is exactly what is/was happening to us as well.  Hours upon hours of reediting.  LR just did an update so I'm hoping when I edit my next wedding it will be fixed.  

[ale_2744]

fatal

[John_Kacprowski4013]

the AI needs to work on how to remove light leaks from images shot on film. it severly struggles in that aspect but besides that it works well the majority of the time.

[razor_one]

I see there is nothing here about new updaes everything is from 2024

[Danny3094590247at]

Remove means remove! Not add the same object similar to the one you are trying to remove. Give us the option to put directions. Like, "match the wall" etc

[johnrellis]

@Daniel336694186n1h, removing .lrcat-data and doing batch Update AI Settings on all photos has worked for many others with these symptoms. I don't know why it isn't work for you, unfortunately.  Do you have the latest version of LR installed, 14.3.1?  If you're not positive, do the menu command Help > System Info to triple-check. There was a bug with Update AI Settings that Adobe fixed a couple releases ago.

You could try chatting with Adobe support. To get to a human, go here:

https://helpx.adobe.com/support.html

click on the chat bubble at the bottom, and type "agent".

But beware that Adobe support is notorious for often not helping with difficult technical issues and sometimes will say anything to close out an issue.

[Daniel336694186n1h]

@johnrellis

I just updated and still all my galleries still need updating for every single edited photo.  I don't have time to update every photo or try batch update for every gallery (to no avail.)  I feel like it's hopeless.  I've never had major problems like this with Lightroom in all my years having it since 2008.  I'll try support I guess.   If Adobe support cant handle a tech problem like this, who can?  Is there anyone who is a pro tech that I can pay to help me investigate my problem?

[johnrellis]

@Daniel336694186n1h: "If Adobe support cant handle a tech problem like this, who can?  Is there anyone who is a pro tech that I can pay to help me investigate my problem?"

In general, this forum is the best alternative to Adobe support for harder problems. I'm not aware of any third-party paid support options.  But perhaps Adobe support will make progress.

[johnrellis]

@Danny3094590247at: "Remove means remove! Not add the same object similar to the one you are trying to remove."

See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[blukom]

Its so frustrating … honestly its sometimes hot but mostly its not. If I try to delete some object it will be replaced with random bull****.  E.g.  if I want to delete a car the actual car will be replaced by another Ai-generated car instead of a reconstruction of the background covered by the first car. This ist artificial stupidity … sorry. ;D

[johnrellis]

@blukom: "if I want to delete a car the actual car will be replaced by another Ai-generated car instead of a reconstruction of the background"

See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Nathan S Hamilton]

Working to remove/clean up the bottom of this shoe and instead of JUST removing the black, it alteres the shape of the shoe....afterbefore