P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[johnrellis]

LR 14 introduced a severe bug where LR wouldn't properly save the AI settings for masking and Remove. Adobe says that LR 14.0.1 fixes it, but there might be additional steps you might have to take (see the second reply):

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-subject-mask-from-previous-versions-are-requ...

[amrey329]

Lightroom Classic 14.0.1

The Generative AI is fabulous! One thing I feel could be eventually achieved to improve is some way to *save* AI changes we've accepted so they can be applied across other images for a consistent look. For example, I have images of a bride where her bra was up above the back of her gown, and it was Velcroed together. I used the Generative AI to remove the bra strap, and it performed marvelously. I kept the choice simple because I felt it would be my best option for trying to find a consistent-looking option every time. On the next image, when I went to remove the bra strap, it only offered elaborate designs no matter how many times I generated new options. Obviously, I had to just pick the closest one in shape, since the eye would notice that first, but the look is still quite different if you look at the images a few times. I don't think my bride will be upset; I think she'll be pleased that the bra strap isn't showing and that she has those images, but since they aren't exaactly a scene one would print, it should be fine. However, if it was one of my more high end clients, I'd have to just Photoshop it and spend way more time on it than I'd prefer in order to make it look like the exact same dress every time. Keep up the great work!

[David_Latini1083]

What a I supposed to enter in this space.

[johnrellis]

@David_Latini1083, did you have a problem or question about the photo you attached?

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

Greetings all, 

Thank you for the feedback on the Generative Remove Feature thus far. We've noticed some comments in this thread that results from the Max release have, in some cases, been a regression from the August iteration of the feature. A change has been made on the server to address this today. 

For those of you who have seen sub-par results when compared with the August release, can you please rerun a few of your images through the Generative Remove tool again to see if the results have improved or if you are still facing issues? 

Thank you for your patience and we look forward to hearing additional feedback. 

[lex_9408]

Dear, 

Object removals works not always well. The area of the brushed area is larger but object removal is not accurate anymore especially in complex photo's.  Too much has been removed 

Best regards

Lex

[johnrellis]

@lex_9408: "The area of the brushed area is larger but object removal is not accurate anymore especially in complex photo's.  Too much has been removed"

I think that in many cases, using Detect Objects makes the selection too big. In those cases, I usually get much better results unchecked it. If that doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[lex_9408]

John R,

Thanks that works much better, but you would expect that object removal
would be much more accurate. I have attached the photo where I wanted
to remove the persons behind the dog


Met vriendelijke groet
Best regards

Lex

[lex_9408]

John,

I attached the one with removed objects
Now the original in jpeg


Met vriendelijke groet
Best regards

Lex

[johnrellis]

 @lex_9408: "I attached the one with removed objects. Now the original in jpeg"

Your attachments didn't make it, unfortunately. You have to come back to the web to add them to your reply (drag them to the box right below the reply box).

[lex_9408]

[lex_9408]

Without object removal it works fine however I should expect better with it 

best regards Lex

[johnrellis]

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@lex_9408: "Without object removal it works fine however I should expect better with it "

Agreed. Detect Objects is fine in simple cases, and can be a good starting point, but I often end up turning it off or significantly refining it manually.

Also, I was curious to see if the noisy background with the dog cages could be simplified.  It took three applications of Remove -- the left person, the clump of people on the right, and then the background, using the second variation of the background:

[David_Latini1083]

 Sorry, I don't have a reply.

[David_Latini1083]

I have only had a few problems with Generative Remove where the item to be replace wasn't replaced.    I tried to remove a power line pole and the replacement was a white looking pole.  I then went to use Color Efex and the Remove worked fine with the edit file it produced.

[johnrellis]

@David_Latini1083, "I tried to remove a power line pole and the replacement was a white looking pole. "

There are likely a couple easy ways to remedy that: Uncheck Detect Objects, make sure any shadows and reflects are selected. If that doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[PEDRO27774332mxxh]

Buenos días:

Al utilizar la aplicación de "Quitar objetos" , selecciono el objeto que que quiero quitar y con el picel  selecciono el objeto que quiero quitar, clico la pestaña de quitar y el objeto no se borra del todo, el objeto queda borroso pero no desaparece.

El la aplicación tengo Activado: Usar IA Generativa, Detector de objetos,   Superposición de herramientas: Siempre

Desactivado: Visualizar tintas planas.  Ruego me indiquen como lo tengo que hacer para que el objeto se quite completamente de la foto. Muchas gracias

[johnrellis]

@PEDRO27774332mxxh: "the object is not completely deleted, the object is blurred but does not disappear."

First things to check:

1. After clicking Remove, make sure the Opacity slider is 100. 

2. Are you applying Remove on top of an AI mask, e.g. a Sky mask?  If so, recompute the AI mask by doing the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings.  

If these steps don't help, see this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if that doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[RobHoglund]

I tried to remove the "orange" cord above the bench in both mobile and desktop versions, but it just doesn't do anything. Even the variations produce no results.

[johnrellis]

@RobHoglund: "I tried to remove the "orange" cord above the bench in both mobile and desktop versions, but it just doesn't do anything. Even the variations produce no results."

With your attached exported image, I was able to quickly remove the orange cord with four different applications of Remove (see below).

The image's metadata indicates that you cropped the image along the top. So when you applied Remove to the top segment of the cord, Remove was trying to match the unselected, cropped-out pixels of the cord.  Adobe wants you to remove first, then crop, which doesn't match many people's natural workflow.

See this article for more details on how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

[RobHoglund]

Thanks, John. I think my problem was with opacity. Anyway, it's fixed.

[johnrellis]

Glad it was easy to resolve. There have been a number of reports about glitches with Opacity, and the UI hides the slider compared to the previous version.

[lalocurapura]

I am trying to remove a child from the corner of a picture I took of my two kids, but the generative remove always puts me another child there, in all versions.....not very helpful

[johnrellis]

@lalocurapura: "I am trying to remove a child from the corner of a picture I took of my two kids, but the generative remove always puts me another child there, in all versions"

1. Is the photo cropped?  If so, uncrop it, do the Remove, and then re-apply the Crop.  Remove tries to match the cropped-out pixels.

2. Make sure you select all bits of the child, even small ones that might be disconnected from the main part of the child (e.g. a hand around the shoulder).  And select any shadows cast by the child.

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Ozdachs]

I am trying to remove the car tire at the top of the photograph. All six (3 x 2) choices leave the tire in the photograph.