P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[C.Cella]

As @John R Ellis said the models used by Photoshop and ACR are the same; in CR they run on RAW data.

But Generative Fill is vastly superior in Ps.

. In Ps we can type instructions.

. In Ps we can feather the fill/selection.

. In Ps we can movw the fill without triggering a refresh, which allows users to place it better...I fixed this in LrC using the SDK but due to lack of feathering it doens't work well.

. In Ps we can generate many variations without loosing the ones we have already.

. In Ps we can copy and paste the Genrative Remove to other images as it is (John has implemeted this in his Plug-in "Copy Settings" but Adobe doesn't allow it)

. In Ps we can erase part of the variation without losing it : refine subtracting in LrC is simply horrible.

. In Ps variations are presented as thumbnails which is better for usability.

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Gnrative fill is handicapped and vastly less usable in LrC than in Photoshop.

It's not a good port IMO. 

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[Playful_Charm15C3]

TLDR. - Photoshop generative AI works way better than the LrC

[MEH98026]

For Heaven's sake, Adobe.  JUST MAKE THE FUNCTIONS THAT ARE IN PHOTOSHOP AND LIGHTROOM (CLASSIC) WORK THE SAME!!!!!    The "Remove" function within LrC SUCKS whereas the one in PS does work.  I shouldn't have to jump from LrC to PS just to do a single function.  Get your act together!

[John R Ellis]

@MEH98026: "The "Remove" function within LrC SUCKS whereas the one in PS does work."

Generative Remove does work the same in both, but because of LR's non-destructive editing model, there are some things you have to spend a few minutes learning about in order to get the best results:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[sb2314]

If you do it right, Lightroom's Remove feature has caught up to
Photoshop's. Remember to use it before any other editing. You'll be
pleasantly surprised. If you don't succeed at first, try it again. It's
not perfect. If only they had the corrected part with the same resolution,
it would be incredibly good. I'm sure they are working towards that.


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[jeff_5655]

My situation was to remove a large clip (from a clip on light) on the edge of the inside of a piano - tried your removal tool for the first time and it seemed to get the idea (unlike some AIs) but it took the 2nd variation to nail it. Saved me a HUGE amount of time. Very helpful.

[Lucas Saporiti]

The generative remove in LR doens't work most of the time. For exemple: when i try to remove people on background, in the most of time LR create a bizzare person instead of remove. The same happen when i try remove cables or elements on the walls. Instead of remove, LR create something bizzare. 

[John R Ellis]

@Lucas Saporiti: "when i try to remove people on background, in the most of time LR create a bizarre person instead of remove. The same happen when i try remove cables or elements on the walls."

1. Uncheck Detect Objects (on by default in LR 14) -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos.

2. See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[jeanleon83]

only part of the selected object was removed (  all 3 options)

[John R Ellis]

@jeanleon83: "only part of the selected object was removed"

1. Uncheck Detect Objects (on by default in LR 14) -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos.

2. See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[johnw53783389]

Often when I use the generative AI remove feature it replaces instead of removing. For example, I tried to remove a person but it replaced it with another person. Is there a way to prevent this from happening?

[John R Ellis]

@johnw53783389: "when I use the generative AI remove feature it replaces instead of removing."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Andrew22540702ffi5]

Leaving the same complaint as many other people here.

The feature simply doesn't work. Yes I have read the tips of expanding the search area, but it provides similar issues where the AI cant detect the inconsistencies.

Frustrating to be paying more money year after year for more features that do not work properly.

[sherwood77]

Ditto that.
This feature needs some Maintenance ASAP as it works in competitive
products from different vendors.

David Kenny
203-644-9044
sherwood77b@gmail.com
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"The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches
behind it." - Ansel Adams

[John R Ellis]

@Andrew22540702ffi5, @sherwood77, @Gary_Robles8438,

To use Generative Remove most effectively, you should spend a few minutes reading this article, which describes a few more tips other than just making selections bigger:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[MEH98026]

The point I was trying to make is this: I shouldn’t have to do a
work-around. It makes no sense that Adobe has two different Remove
algorithms with the LrC one being inferior to the one in ACR. I don’t see
how this benefits Adobe and it certainly doesn’t benefit me.

[John R Ellis]

@MEH98026: "It makes no sense that Adobe has two different Remove algorithms with the LrC one being inferior to the one in ACR."

They're the same. If you have an example where they're not, attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot).

[sb2314]

I was of that opinion too. Any more, Lightroom removal has caught up to
Photoshop. I have been very pleasantly surprised. I edit with both every
day.


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[Gary_Robles8438]

Thank you very much! I will study what you sent me. My version of LR on my
android chromebook (NOT Classic), seems to work fine most of the time. I
do have an issue if the object I want to remove is on the top edge of the
image. Do you have any suggestions??

Thank you for your help,

Gary

[John R Ellis]

@Gary_Robles8438: "I do have an issue if the object I want to remove is on the top edge of the image."

Objects on the edge require a little extra care, due to LR's non-destructive editing:

1. Uncheck Detect Objects, which doesn't work well with objects on the edge.

2. Undo the commands that can crop pixels -- Crop, Transform, Lens Correction.  Apply Remove and then redo those commands. Remove tries to match the unselected, cropped-out pixels.  (This is described in the article.)

If this doesn't help, then attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), and most likely we'll be able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Gary_Robles8438]

This simply does not work. I highlight the area I want removed and nothing happens, regardless if it's AI, clone or remove. I am using LR classic v13.4

[Akshay Harshe Photography]

Hi there, The generative remove works for me in simpler cases but leaves a hard edge around the removal area when the sorrounding area is fairly blank. See the screenshot below where I removed the tree and it leaves the edge and doesn't blend correctly. I am using the latest light room version: 14.0.1

[John R Ellis]

@Akshay Harshe Photography: "generative remove ... leaves a hard edge around the removal area when the surrounding area is fairly blank." 

One cause of this is applying Remove on top of an AI mask, e.g. a Sky mask. Looking at your screenshot, I don't think you did that in this case, but if you did, do Settings > Update AI Settings to recompute the mask.

But in general, Generative Remove (in both LR and PS) sometimes doesn't match the tone of the replacements very well with the original. That looks like the case here. You can ameliorate the problem by using the Heal tool on top of the Remove replacement, using smaller individual irregularly shaped heal strokes along the hard edge:

 

[Akshay Harshe Photography]

Hi John, 

Thanks for your reply. I don't have any other AI masks around here. But yes, I used a healing brush on top of the edge to fix that issue. It would be nice to have a Feather setting for the Generative Remove stuff, but this could be by design. In that case, softer blending or an option to feather after will be nice to have.

[John R Ellis]

@Akshay Harshe Photography: "It would be nice to have a Feather setting for the Generative Remove"

I agree, if Adobe can't get Generative Remove to match the tone of uniform backgrounds.  There are a number of examples in the forum of mismatches, and others have asked for feathering too.