P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[johnrellis]

@Corniger: "Selecting the first couple of spots works, then it starts lagging massively..Remove with Gen AI selected, Detect Objects not selected. Use GPU set to auto."

Note that LR's AI commands ignore the setting of Preferences > Performance > Use Graphics Processor (they always use it). Two thoughts:

1. Adobe recommends using the Heal, Clone, and Content-Aware modes for small spots, e.g. sensor dust, small acne, etc. They are much, much faster and usually work well for those things. That won't address the cause of the slowdown, but it could help you get your work done.

2. Try updating your graphics driver by going directly to the manufacturer's web site:
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/kb/troubleshoot-gpu.html#solution-4

If that doesn't help, please copy/paste here the entire contents of the LR menu command Help > System Info -- that will let us see exactly which versions of hardware and software LR thinks you're running.

Updating the driver may not help, but having the latest driver is always the first step in troubleshooting LR's image-processing issues.

[Corniger]

OK, that totally makes sense. I was happy with the old spot removal tool - albeit very slow and cumbersome in LR, as opposed to PS, but I haven't used it in years because of that, so I'll try again!

The remove tool should only be used for "biggies", objects, people etc., for efficiency reasons, since also sometimes in PS a tiny speck can take a while to remove.
That's why I was wondering if remove works via local engine or remote engine? In PS, at least for generative AI, you are/were able to choose.

My GPU drivers are always the latest studio drivers anyway, do I need to use the "risky" ones?

Thank you very much!

[johnrellis]

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@Corniger: "My GPU drivers are always the latest studio drivers anyway, do I need to use the "risky" ones?"

You should try Nvidia's Game Ready drivers only if you encounter a suspected problem with the latest Studio driver.  Nvidia releases Game Ready drivers more frequenty, and Studio drivers are just Game Ready drivers for which Nvidia has done extra testing with creative apps like LR and PS.

"I was wondering if remove works via local engine or remote engine? "

All the older remove tools are still present as "modes", but the naming is confusing:

You get the old Content-Aware Remove by clicking Remove mode and unchecking Use Generative AI.

All of the modes run locally in your LR Classic app except for Generative AI, which uses the Adobe Firefly servers.

[Corniger]

All right. So it comes down to using your brain and deciding when you really need to use a household's yearly energy net worth - that's what the slowness teaches you in that case.
Thanks a lot, I'll experiment with the old modes for comparison to prior versions I remember. Are those still in development or is all/most future effort going into AI? Spot removal in PS, imo, worked pretty much flawless many years ago already.

Now development SHOULD go into teaching people on how to consciously NOT use AI with its massive resources, so maybe a small "on board" AI should quickly analyze and then decide whether to go generative or content aware, if the user can't do it by himself. Like the current system, but "Use generative AI if necessary". I believed those calculations, like in Topaz, were carried out locally. I understand Adobe still need to train their models, but in the future, this should be a logical development - especially with "Green Claims" being held high. But I guess that's an entirely different discussion.

[Nikon Z8]

Hello. I've read some of the contributions - particularly the one where the 'removal' of a human is replaced not removed. When I highlight someone to be removed, it is replaced with something that is not even human.:

How can I remove and not replace? I do not see an option. I am using Lightroom Classic release 14.1 and build 202412062302-d2b56666

[Nikon Z8]

to be clear, that 'thing' is the replacement.

[Nikon Z8]

Okay, I think I figured it out: I need to make a sweeping inclusion of the material around the subject to be removed. This time it worked. But you should have a health warning on this tool - I'm going to have nightmares for weeks.

[johnrellis]

@Nikon Z8: "I need to make a sweeping inclusion of the material around the subject to be removed."

Right. If you check the option Detect Objects, it will usually include enough border around the object to avoid this. (But beware that Detect Objects doesn't work well with skinny objects and near the edges of the photo.)

See this article for more tips on how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

[jerryy20523319]

Hi,

While I love the AI feature, it is wonky. When I want to remove something, I want it comletely removed and not replaced with an alien.  This is okay but am waiting for the next versions.  It is still more work then it needs to be.

[johnrellis]

@jerryy20523319: "it is wonky. When I want to remove something, I want it completely removed and not replaced with an alien."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every one of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[jerryy20523319]

Thanks. This is a good start to resolution.
I’ll keep you posted On my progress.

Jerry

[sherwood77]

Doesn't remove the lightpole and adds 'junk'.

[johnrellis]

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@sherwood77: "Doesn't remove the lightpole and adds 'junk'.

Generative Remove quickly removed the pole in my LR 14.1. I did it in two pieces (see below). 

1. Make sure to uncheck Detect Objects -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos.

2. If you make a selection approximately as shown below, does it work better?

[turcotravel]

hello, i am a new lightroom user. i use a mac mini m4pro and i just downloaded the lightroom 14.1 version. i am trying to use generative removal but the system tells me to check my internet connection which works fine at 50 mbps. what should i do?

[johnrellis]

@turcotravel: "i am trying to use generative removal but the system tells me to check my internet connection which works fine at 50 mbps. what should i do?"

Sometimes firewalls and anti-malware / anti-virus utilities incorrectly block some network requests from LR. Try these troubleshooting steps:

- Temporarily disable all the firewall / anti-malware on your computer. If that solves the problem, then add a specific exclusion for LR to the firewall's rules.

- Connect to another network, preferably one serviced by a different ISP. E.g. a Wifi connection of a neighbor, a coffee shop, work, or your phone's hotspot. Sometimes the routers in these networks block LR's requests, especially in authoritarian countries like China.

- On Mac, try relaunching the Finder -- start Finder, click the Finder menu, and do Quit Finder. Someone reported that this solved this problem for him.

To help others, please let us know which of these work and which don't.

[Maurizio Santi]

Preferisco non utilizzarla, tante volte peggiora l' immagine. Crea ombre o artefatti. Molto rraramete funzione bane e solo per piccoli dettagli. Peggio del classico "rimuovi". Sarrebbe meglio che non ci fosse.

[johnrellis]

@Maurizio Santi: "many times it worsens the image. It creates shadows or artifacts. Very rarely a bane function and only for small details. Worse than the classic "remove". 

1. Uncheck Detect Objects (on by default in LR 14) -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos.

2. See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every one of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[ApexGD]

I have been using this feature quite a bit to remove fly-aways from people's hair during outdoor sessions. 

I noticed a few things after my initial selection of the section of the head I am trying to fix. When it analyzes the selection, sometimes it's accurate, but more often than not, it selects too much or not enough. Once I do have a selection that I like and generate to remove - most of the selections have more crazy looking fly-aways than it being smooth. (my background has a heavy bokeh). I typically have to generate again or layer the generative remove over top the first removal to get a result that looks good and realistic. 

[johnrellis]

@ApexGD: "...remove fly-aways from people's hair during outdoor sessions.  ... but more often than not, it selects too much or not enough."

It sounds like you have the Detect Objects option selected?  It often doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and near the photo edges. You might find it more effective to unselect it and manually make the selection.

Also, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail.

[spiderbobr]

The AI process is leaving a ghost immage??  I was using it on a lamp post and an electrical post, the dark immage was taken away the the same outline of the two post was left as a ghost immage.  Any ideas as to why this is happening.

[johnrellis]

@spiderbobr: "The AI process is leaving a ghost immage??  I was using it on a lamp post and an electrical post, the dark immage was taken away the the same outline of the two post was left as a ghost immage.  Any ideas as to why this is happening."

Two possibilities:

1. After clicking the Remove button, check that the Opacity slider is 100. Many have reported it sometimes gets set to less than 100.

2. You've applied Remove on top of an AI mask (e.g. a Sky mask). Do the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings to recompute the mask.

[Dale26355517xubj]

This did not work. 

[hannahfcl]

When using generative AI fill often times I simply want whatever is selected to be removed. Especially if there's no prompt, or it's a simple wall with one distracting element.

[SibyA]

LR AI seems smarter than PS's AI, I especially like the different versions.  But they are still a bit crude in what they replace people of things with.  Why cant it understand that when you want to remove people the background would be what should appear? And if I am removing Xmas deco, why can't it understand not to replace it with more xmas deco?

[johnrellis]

@hannahfcl: "I simply want whatever is selected to be removed."

@SibyA: "when you want to remove people the background would be what should appear? And if I am removing Xmas deco, why can't it understand not to replace it with more xmas deco?"

See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every one of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.