P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[johnrellis]

It's quite simple once you spend just a very few minutes learning how to use the tool by reading the article. You can see from the several dozen examples posted in this thread that nearly all of the desired objects were quickly and easily removed. But if it's still not working for you, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). 

[LuluBirder]

I read the article and it did not help nor did looking at the examples
posted. Attached is the cropped image that I am working with trying to
remove translucent twigs from in front of the bird.
[image: LB3_6826-Edit.jpg]



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[sb2314]

Please try using an area much larger than what you need to remove, even if
it encroaches on a nearby item and then make sure the opacity is set to
100% and try again. I have had excellent results with it 99% of the time.
Good luck!



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[LuluBirder]

I have been trying to use Remove both with and without Generative AI and it simply does not work for out of focus twigs and vegetation that appears translucent. It does not detect what is underneath, producing truly bizarre results. I photograph birds, but can't always tell when a closer twig or leaf is in front of the bird. I use Lightroom Classic in iOS Sequoia 15.1.1. Attached is the original image and what Generative Remove producted, apparently attaching the head of a black-capped chickadee onto a white-breasted nuthatch. Where the chickadee head came from is a complete mystery.

[johnrellis]

@LuluBirder: "it simply does not work for out of focus twigs and vegetation that appears translucent."

Remove always tries to match its replacements with what's left unselected. So when you selected part of the bird's head, it generated a replacement (a bird's head) to match the unselected body of the bird.

You can quickly remove the translucent twigs by selecting just them, with three different Remove selections, not selecting the bird's head:

Remove can't remove the translucent haze on the bird's head without generating a completely new (different) head. But you can use a Brush mask to select that part of the bird's head:

and then increasing the Texture, Clarify, and Contrast of the mask:

There just isn't any detail in the lower half of the head to recover, though.

[Aplanc]

I don't know if it is just by chance, but I have never remove an object
that was not removed totally. What I do, and hope it will help you, is when
the dialog Selected comes out, before hitting remove, I always hits first
subtract and it works.

[Turbolyft]

I am constantly noticing issues with the generative fill showing definitive outlines around the replaced areas making the tool useless. 

[johnrellis]

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@Turbolyft: "I am constantly noticing issues with the generative fill showing definitive outlines around the replaced areas making the tool useless."

There are different situations which can create such outlines, and there are usually ways to avoid them. However, the screenshot you posted doesn't show any such outline on my calibrated display:

If you post another example where the the issue is more obvious, then we'll be able to provide better help.

[giancatt.stmoritz]

Hi Lisa

LRC 14.1.1 

M4 MacbookPro

Sequoia 15.1.1 (24B2091)

Picture of woman at private event with injuries after attack.

requested me to clean up pictures of injuries.

I tried with LRC with following results:

1. original image of face

 

2. LRC proposals 1 

proposal 2

 

proposal 3

 

the "original eye" is not detected. 

results are useless like this.

this is my feedback on a problem fo AI and LRC

thank you and best regards

giancarlo cattaneo, switzerland

[johnrellis]

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@giancatt.stmoritz: "the "original eye" is not detected."

To get matching eyes, select both eyes with a single selection, being sure to include all the discolored, bruised skin:

Then subtract the selected portion of the nose:

It's crucial to select both eyes with a single selection and then subtract the parts you don't want selected; otherwise, if you select the eyes separately, then due to a design bug, you'll end up with two different selections rather than a single selection, and the eyes won't match.

Then you'll have to look at many variations (perhaps 20 to 30) to get something acceptable (clicking Generate to generate three more variations).  When you see a plausible variation, make a new Snapshot of it, so you can go back later and select the best variation.

Here are some variations that look plausible to me:

   

Note that you can adjust the eye color using Radial Gradient masks.

[graham_4016]

I absolutely love this new feature! with a little trial and error I'm finding that its reaaly simple to use in removing quite complicated clutter from my images (tree branches and leaves). at firstI tried to take too big a bite, but found several smaller removals worked way bettter than a large one.

[defaultjzphsp0ty96o]

To me, the ideal way that the AI removing tool should work is just like Photoshop's implementation of it. In most cases, Photoshop does a PERFECT job to completely remove anything I select without the need to type any command. Lightroom often creates new objetcs instead of removing them, which is odd given it is supposed to be a REMOVAL tool, not a creative one like Photoshop's (you can't type any command on Lightroom). I only need to remove stuff, not create new ones.

[johnrellis]

@defaultjzphsp0ty96o: "Lightroom often creates new objetcs instead of removing them"

See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

"In most cases, Photoshop does a PERFECT job to completely remove anything I select without the need to type any command."

Photoshop's AI Remove uses the same algorithm as LR's.  Please attach an example full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot) where Photoshop does a better job than LR or where the tips in that article don't help.

[samantha_2390]

The removal tool is now working. Is there an update coming to help make this feature work again?

[johnrellis]

@samantha_2390: "The removal tool is [not] working."

After clicking Remove, make sure the Opacity slider is 100. A likely bug in LR sometimes sets it to 0.

If this doesn't help, please provide a lot more detail about what you're seeing -- "not working" isn't very informative.  Full-resolution screenshots (not phone pics) can often give useful clues.

[LuluBirder]

I don't see an opacity slider when I click on Remove. Where is it?


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Take care of the birds and you take care of the world

[johnrellis]

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@LuluBirder: "I don't see an opacity slider when I click on Remove."

After clicking on Remove:

the Opacity slider is right above the Generate button:

If you're seeing something different, please post a full-resolution screenshot (not a phone pic) of the entire LR window of what you see after clicking Remove.

[Neil2370517928lm]

In Lightroom Classic, I've been trying to remove a cheese plant from behind a person, but without success. It keeps giving variations on a cheese plant! It would be very helpful, if I could say in words, what to do... For example remove plant from behind person.

[Neil2370517928lm]

[johnrellis]

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@Neil2370517928lm: "I've been trying to remove a cheese plant from behind a person, but without success. It keeps giving variations on a cheese plant!"

You must select all of the plant, including the dark parts that aren't very noticeable. Otherwise Remove will try very hard to generate a replacement that matches the remaining bits of the plant.

You can temporarily increase Exposure to see all the parts of the plant, apply Remove to all parts of the plant, then decrease Exposure. For example:

I had to try about 15 variations before finding a good replacement background.  You could make the generated background even less noticeable by using a Background mask and dropping its Exposure:

Or you could skip Remove altogether and just use the Background mask!