P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[MyriamNavarro]

Últimamente la función de IA generativa en Lightroom Classic ha sido muy frustrante. En lugar de borrar los objetos que selecciono, me genera cosas aleatorias que no tienen nada que ver con la imagen. Esto no solo no soluciona nada, sino que me hace perder tiempo arreglando lo que la IA arruina.

Antes el proceso era mucho más ágil, pero ahora  se vuelve más complicado trabajar. Espero que Adobe mejore esta herramienta pronto, porque así como está, entorpece más de lo que ayuda.

[MyriamNavarro]

Últimamente la función de IA generativa en Lightroom Classic ha sido muy frustrante. En lugar de borrar los objetos que selecciono, me genera cosas aleatorias que no tienen nada que ver con la imagen. Esto no solo no soluciona nada, sino que me hace perder tiempo arreglando lo que la IA arruina.

 Espero que Adobe mejore esta herramienta pronto, porque así como está, entorpece más de lo que ayuda.

[MasterKM]

The programmers have done a great job in making our life simple and better in editing photographs for more that 35 years. Sometimes we face new challenges with new improvements like our programmers do, as expected. The removal by AI has added a significant progress in making our task simple, quick and almost accurate. Two simple suggestions that may help us do a better job. Why sometimes AI leaves generative human characters instead of complete removal? Make us understand it. The other request is to put some innovative presets in LRC.  Thanks again for all your hard work. 

[amitg2001]

In the AI generative remove allow a sample source image - much like the healing burush, but more intelligent in using the source as a model for removing the distractions

[Hakan Shutter Pirate]

Ich versuche auf dem Rücken eines Models störende Falten zu entfernen, es verstoße gegen Eure Richtlinien!!! Was für ein Schwachsinn ist das???

[johnrellis]

@Hakan Shutter Pirate: "I'm trying to remove annoying wrinkles from a model's back, and it's against your guidelines!!!"

To see the "guidelines" (rules), click the miniscule "?" icon in the upper-right corner of the Remove panel and then click Generative AI User Guidelines.

Adobe's AI is a repressed Victorian and often faints at the slightest hint of skin or small children. In geek speak, it has a high false-positive rate for adult and child p o r n (not allowed to type that in the forum), making it unsuitable for many kinds of innocuous professional use.

[Martha33169128qobw]

I am finding this feature often work well..... until remove becomes random add rather than remove 

I tried to get rid of a pedestrian at the edge of my frame and have been offered a new person, an ad board, a huge concrete planter, a few car bumpers, and now........ a polar bear! Munich is on high alert now.

[johnrellis]

@Martha33169128qobw: "I tried to get rid of a pedestrian at the edge of my frame and have been offered a new person, an ad board, a huge concrete planter, a few car bumpers, and now........ a polar bear!"

 Note that the other people and objects are casting shadows on the wet pavement. When you select an object but not its shadow, Remove will generate another object that casts that shadow. (Otherwise, it could often look strange having a ghost shadow or reflection.)

In the first screenshot, I've selected just the polar bar, which gets replaced by a scooter. In the second screenshot, I've selected the shadow below the bear too:

See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[terrys16344968]

Just tried my first people remove... it is awsome. Wel Done. Thank You.

[_jdj_]

Using geneartive remove in LRC 14.4. The generated areas are quite low-rez compared to the original photo. Here I have removed an area to the right and it is clearly not as "crisp" as the left part.

[johnrellis]

@_jdj_: "Here I have removed an area to the right and it is clearly not as "crisp" as the left part."

Many have observed here that the replacements made by Generative Remove sometimes don't match the photo's tone or noise. To get better matches, these techniques sometimes help:

1. Adobe recommends applying Denoise before Remove. This can reduce the noise, making it more likely the replacement will match.

2. The replacement patch supplied by Adobe Firefly has a maximum size of 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the selected area in the photo is larger than that, then the replacement patch gets upscaled (and blurry). Try removing smaller selections if possible.

3. Conversely, try making a larger selection, even including the entire background. Upscaling of the replacement sometimes won't be noticeable then.

4. Sometimes there's a distinctly visible boundary where the tone or noise don't match. You can often use the heal tool around the boundary to get better feathering and make it less noticeable -- apply Heal in small brush strokes. Or use a Brush mask with maximum feathering, dropping local Texture, Clarity, and Sharpness to their minimum values. Sometimes, making a very raggedy selection around the object makes the boundary less noticeable.

5. For grain/noise in particular, see this post for how to ameliorate the problem by adding the grain back or reducing the grain:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic...

[_jdj_]

Ok - I did not know about the 2kx2k limitation; that is probably the cause. The background at the time of the shoot was not wide enough so I removed a narrow but very high edge of the photo. I will remove more "squarish" parts in the future!

[Schindeler]

It is very frustrating that the quality of the match to the texture of the photo has gotten worse just as the generative AI became credit-based. I just did an exceedingly small generative remove in LR for a distracting bit of grass coming of out someone's head. Should be a dead-easy removal (and I wouldn't have even bothered with the generative component if the traditional removal tool wasn't messing up the hair edge) but instead this small patch is butter smooth and has a hard line of demarkation around the edges making it painfully obvious.  It was unusable. 

[johnrellis]

@Schindeler: "...just as the generative AI became credit-based."

LR's Generative AI Remove and Photoshop's Remove "do not currently consume generative credits":

https://helpx.adobe.com/firefly/get-set-up/learn-the-basics/generative-credits-faq.html#do-not-use-g...

"It is very frustrating that the quality of the match to the texture of the photo has gotten worse"

LR Generative AI Remove hasn't changed since it was released in LR 14.0.

"...an exceedingly small generative remove in LR for a distracting bit of grass coming of out someone's head. ... this small patch is butter smooth and has a hard line of demarkation around the edges"

It does sound like something Generative Remove would normally get right. Please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we can see what might be going wrong.

[Devani35087802lykz]

Hello, 

I keep getting error messages with Generative AI removal as it keeps saying "Something went wrong.  Please try again."  I close the app for 10 minutes, reopen it, try again and still gives me error messages.  It was not acting like this for the past 3 hours as it was working properly.  Now it won't because of high demand or with no reason at all.  I need this resolved as I'm editing various photos that needs certain objects removed.

[sb2314]

The program is very puritanical! It is so strict (for good reason) that
it's almost from the 1800's! But, in 99.9% of the cases, does an amazing
job — and keeps incrementally improving.


--
Sent from Gmail in PC

[CapturingTimePhotography]

I've been having this problem for the last two weeks. I dont understand why!! Can anyone fro Adobe give an answer to this?? why does "Demand" affect it?

[Luiz Felipe35525151w6ox]

Seria interessante, ter uma opção expecifica para remover frizz, isto é, fios de cabelos soltos, isso facilitaria muito,
crianda uma interface entre a IA de mascaras com a remoção generativa.
provavelmente tem uma opção de ajuste manual caso necessario. 

[kovacs29009990eryo]

Hello ! Can we make a shortkey to turn on and off the  "USE Generative AI" ?

[johnrellis]

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@kovacs29009990eryo: "Can we make a shortkey to turn on and off the  "USE Generative AI" ?

The shortcut is Opt / Alt Shift G. You can see all the Remove shortcuts by clicking the miniscule "?" button in the upper-right corner of the Remove panel:

[Torrey G]

Is there a way to view and select previous AI generations after regenerating multiple times - similar to Photoshop? If not, will this issue be addressed in future updates?

[johnrellis]

@Torrey G: "Is there a way to view and select previous AI generations after regenerating multiple times - similar to Photoshop?"

LR doesn't have that feature like in Photoshop. However, when you're looking at more than the first 3 variations and see one that you think is plausible, make a snapshot by clicking the + button in the Snapshots panel. Then you can later review all the saved snasphots very quickly. I use this fairly often.

"will this issue be addressed in future updates?"

Unfortunately, Adobe rarely discloses their plans. There have been a few requests for such a feature in this thread (where Adobe wants Generative AI Remove feedback), but it's hard to tell precisely how many because there are so many unrelated posts here.

[DavidH77]

Seriously, you guys have to make your system not have these false flags of 'guidlines'. It actually did allow me to to use the generative Ai remove in this photo on the forehead. But it then wouldn't do anything else on the face. 

[Thomas Bertini]

I have an issue with the removal tool AI genrator.

I use it on some photos and I come back to the first photos, all I did is gone.

And if i do not come back to the photos and just do an export, it is the same: all I did is gone.

I have the same issue with reduction Noise with AI.
And some times when I use this tools, i have an error message:

?:0 attempt to index a nil value

I have a Apple M4 Pro and the latest version of lightroom Classic.

[johnrellis]

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@Thomas Bertini, the orange-circle icon in your screenshot:

indicates that LR can't write the <catalog>.lrcat-data file for some reason, either because LR has corrupted it or there is a permissions issue. LR stores computed AI settings in that file. Try these steps:

1. Do the menu command Help > System Info. If you're not on the latest version (currently 14.3.1), do Help > Updates.

2. In LR, do Edit > Catalog Settings > General > Show. That will open Windows File Explorer / Mac Finder on the current catalog folder.

3. Exit LR.

4. Move the file <catalog>.lrcat-data to the Desktop.

5. Start LR.

6. In Library Grid view (not Loupe view), select all photos and do Photo > Develop Settings > Update AI Settings. That will recompute all the AI masks, which could take a while. 

Recently, however, these steps haven't worked for many people.  If they don't work for you, I recommend starting a new thread rather than continuing the discussion in this very crowded thread.