P: Improved Fuji X-Trans Support?

Report · Jul 02, 2014

Is Fuji X-Trans support being worked on?I appreciate that the support is better now than it was, but the reality is that Lightroom is still a long way behind other RAW developers, all of which are less well funded and with smaller teams working on the software.Lightroom has been the leader in RAW processing an image cataloging as far back as I can recall; but with the Fuji X-Trans files many people I know are leaving Adobe Lightroom for one of the many other developers, all of which are producing far better results than Adobe Lightroom.Ones I have personally tested are as follows: Iridient DeveloperPhoto NinjaLightZoneCapture OneApertureSilkyPixRaw TherapeeIridient is very good, and this is a piece of software made by a single man.My question is, if he can get it right, why can't Adobe? They have been leaders in innovation for many years but it seems in some areas now they are falling behind - I have never seen so many people leave a major developer for smaller independent ones, but to Fuji users (both enthusiasts and professionals) it's a pretty simple decision when you compare results.So all I'd like to know is if my patience sticking with Lightroom is justified, and whether a solution is being worked on - or will always be worked on. Or is it a case that the users wanting such a change are not enough to support such work.

Report · Mar 04, 2021

In progress (profanity deleted) 6 years not enough for Adobe? I think they keep this thread here just to pacify us so that we don't keep asking about it. Adobe treats us like dirt because they have more than enough users. The few of us who are bothered by this and leaves won't make a dent in their income. They are ignoring us cause its easy.

Report · Feb 25, 2021

@Adobe @LIghtroom @anyone?
Can anyone confirm if this ACTUALLY is being worked on? This thread is basically dead, but when you contact Adobe support on twitter about the X-Trans issue they send people to this thread. They do say that they are working on it, but its very hard to believe.

Its hard to believe because its been YEARS and its still not fixed.

Its hard to believe because Adobe has so much money and resources, so it SHOULD have been fixed years ago.

It's hard to believe because this thread is dead and no one from Adobe is responding.

But still, I will share some comparisons from a Fujifilm camera that has a normal sensor to one that has an X-Trans sensor. Just to show how photos should look. I'll include the RAW files too. Who knows, maybe they could be useful in some way.

The raw files:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TaouEUmnoIOwshGcO9ZXgb8aTrHeP_7y/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zye5uuCE3vfLnIgOumCTyoN-DBgz8l_D/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ux5G_TyRVPJ565F_oqX6eU6LwOTjXMbn/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19cL3h7T_Vk5a26OgoQCuk4oIroemEPvi/view?usp=sharing

Report · Feb 22, 2021

I really hope this is still being worked on. Lightroom still does not render X-Trans files correctly.

And Enhance Detail is not a good solution. It works, but it also requires a lot of extra time and disk space when you have to do it for thousands of photos. And if you want to get the extra disk space back, you have to spend even more time to delete the files. Its not a good solution.

Can Adobe confirm that this is still being worked on? Or should we all just cancel our subscriptions and switch to another program?

Report · Aug 28, 2020

I'm curious if this is being investigated and worked on? There is a well known issue that Lightroom Classic renders Fujifilm X-trans sensor raw files poorly and shows worming and other strange artifacts compared to other raw processors.

This is actually becoming a major issue, and Fujifilm users are not an insignificant portion of users who are tempted by other products that do render their files properly.

Enhance Details does seem to render the files better, but then we are left with a large DNG file to manage, not to mention the processing time.

Report · Jul 08, 2019

Hey all,

So I know that you know that we know there are issues with Fuji's X-Trans processors but when are you going to tackle this please?

I've just downloaded Capture One and there are zero issues with worming and red teeth. I'm astonished Adobe haven't rectified this yet and everyone seems content to just wait.

I'm actually loathed to move everything across to C1 as my entire back catalogue is in LR (and I use PS too) but I'm seriously thinking about it as the quality of my LR files are appalling.

Can I ask if resolving this is a priority for Adobe please?

Report · Jun 04, 2019

Same here . Four issues that should be resolved : 1.the main one is that Lightroom does not handle .RAF files properly creating the “worm” artifact when details begin to be above 30 or so (>4 years without a solution). 2. Enhance details is a very poor fix to the problem, it takes long and creates big duplicates making it unusable. 3. Third is that LR CC Mobile applies high detail levels by default on import for .RAFs creating worms by default . 4th is that on Lightroom CC Cloud there is no way to apply just a detail fix in batch for many photos. You can copy and paste all edits but not just the detail fix. Profiles only work one by one . These 4 things make adoption of .RAF files a real PAIN in Lightroom CC/Cloud Mobile . I either need to change my gear or find alternates for LR CC Cloud

Report · Feb 12, 2019

Well, seems to work pretty good, making stack of an old and enhanced picture. BUT - since the stacks are not being synced (this topic ), all photos with Enhanced Details are now duplicated on mobile devices 😠

Also, enhanced picture is 5 (five) times bigger then original on the cloud. Yes, the image is just a slightly sharper, but not 5 times bigger.

Report · Feb 12, 2019

I just tried that. Applied Enhanced Details on the single x-trans picture on Core i7/GTX1070 machine. CPU utilization 3%, GPU 2%, RAM 84% (Only Lightroom CC takes 11 GB of RAM during processing Enhanced Details). It is 15 minutes now and still not done. This does not seems to be solution, I can not imagine processing more the one image like this.

Report · Feb 12, 2019

Well, finally they did it and I must admit, they did it very good. But...... what's wrong with color? How to shoot product photography if Camera RAW shows wrong colors.
Here are an example of the same RAF file opened in ACR and Iridient Developer
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/MdQw/qAkGVpHYM
In Camera Raw everything is oversaturated and the color of the dress is wrong, while in Iridient it is correct.

Report · Feb 12, 2019

OMG, I switch to Capture One already... But let give it a try.

Report · Feb 12, 2019

Hi Everyone,

We are happy to announce the release of Lightroom Classic CC 8.2. With this release, we’ve introduced a new feature called Enhanced Details.

Photographers using cameras featuring X-Trans sensors should see an improved rendering of their Fuji raw files.

To learn more about how this new feature works check out the blog post: https://theblog.adobe.com/enhance-details/

Cheers,
Carissa

Report · Dec 12, 2018

This might be a tricky one. Imagine they will implement better Fuji RAW processing. Great, right?But what should happen really? Should it be applied only to newly added photos? Or should it be applied to the all pictures in the cloud you already edited and tuned (including noise, sharpening...) and mess them a little maybe?

I am all in for improvements, but this aspect of implementation should be part of this discussion.

Report · Dec 12, 2018

4 years now, still top of the list, still a problem, and still no word or reply from Adobe reps....

Report · Dec 11, 2018

1:1 zoom on a mossy log taken on my X-T3 + Fujinon 18-55 kit lens. Capture 1 on the left, latest version of Lightroom as of 12/11/18 on the right. Same file, no edits done to them at all. This shot is straight OOC. I did not sign up for oil painting classes then I switched to Fuji. This is atrocious and the fact that Adobe has done next to nothing to fix the problem speaks volumes to their feelings towards their customers opinions. Adobe, do you realize with monthly subscriptions, people can just cancel and move to another developer? Why haven't you guys figured this out yet?

Report · Dec 09, 2018

It is no secret that Lightroom does not handle Fujifilm files well at all. It creates very undesirable worming and/or oil painting effect that are frankly downright atrocious. I understand this is because Lr is built to handle files from Bayer type sensors used by Canon, Nikon, etc. but my question is when will Adobe finally take the time to PROPERLY handle X-Trans files? Fujifilm is officially a major player in the photography game and they should be taken a little more seriously. Furthermore, much smaller software companies like Iridiant have managed to render X-Trans files just fine so why can't Adobe figure it out? With it being so easy to just cancel your monthly subscription, I would think Adobe would be doing everything they can to fix these very blatant issues before they start losing customers, myself included. Adobe, just fix this issue that has been plaguing Fuji shooters for literally years. I love the user interface and workflow of Lr but I'm very seriously considering ditching Lr for Capture 1 to gain the image quality I can't get from Adobe

Report · Nov 27, 2018

Thank you. I'm tired of resisting the lure of LR's competitors like Capture One. I'm tired of Adobe doing nothing about this HUGE problem for Fuji shooters.

Report · Nov 14, 2018

I've had Adobe Lr for ten years now and I love the workflow and editing tools it offers. I just recently switched to Fujifilm and have discovered the shortcomings around Adobe's Fuji file rendering problems. It's been a known problem for a long time that Adobe does not render Fujifilm files very well. If you zoom in, anything with fine detail ends up looking like an oil painting mess. If you try to sharpen a Fuji file, the image becomes "wormy". I unfortunately will be discontinuing my Adobe software package and will be migrating to another software because I have very little hope that Adobe will be fixing these handful of issues surrounding Fujifilm anytime soon.

One thing I think Adobe needs to understand is that FujiFilm is a major player in the photography industry now and it would benefit them to get on board with reading and displaying Fuji files, especially now that it's so easy for your customers to just walk away from your software with the subscription based service

Report · Oct 31, 2018

I been wating for Adobe to improved the sharpening for Fujifilm RAF Files since 2013. Irident X-trans developer has way better results. Exposure X3 is similiar but not quite there. And Capture One 11 has no match, no wormy issues, and is way faster than Lightroom. The only three things Ligthroom is mor refined than Capture one are the facedetection, the metadata administration, the map geolocalization, and the print module. Wich for me is the 15% or the time I spent in the program.

Report · Oct 31, 2018

Hi.

The X Trans sensors from Fujfilm are not supported/handled good enough in ACR/Lightroom.

I'm seriously considering switching to Capture One for this single reason. I want to get the best image quality possible, and even though I love Lightroom, I almost feel pressured to switch to Capture One after acquiring my Fujifilm XT-2. I love the camera, but I get disappointed every single time I open up a RAF file in Lightroom. The bad (capture) sharpening is quite frankly embarrassing compared to what I'm used to and expect from Adobe.

Just google wormy artifacts fuji lightroom to learn more.
I've tried different settings, but none of them are cutting it.

As I said: Really want to continue using Lightroom. It's been a trusty companion for many years, handling my NEF files just perfectly.

Report · Sep 28, 2018

After a long disappointing wait for Adobe to man up and address the rendering and sharpening of Fuji RAW images, I've eventually settled on using Photoshop's Unsharp Mask, rather than using third party solutions. At the very least, this keeps all processing within the CC software, returning images to the LR catalog.

Process image as normal in LR Develop module.
Zero amount slider in Detail panel
Right-click, Edit in... to Photoshop
From top menu... Filter, Sharpen, Unsharp Mask...
Amount 100-150, Radius 1-2, Threshold 1-2
Adjust to your personal taste

I find this gives far better results than LR sharpening, although it does involving LR/PS toggling.

Rgds,
Howard

Report · Sep 28, 2018

Capture One released cheaper version for Fuji users (or express version for free). And rendering of details is much better than Lightroom 😞 I really want to stick with Lightroom, but as a Fuji user I don't see any reasons to use LR 😞

Report · Oct 23, 2017

Patrick, thanks for that useful info! So, what you're saying is that LR doesn't apply any of the nasty rendering during the import phase... only when you come to 'develop' it (probably from the Detail panel)? I was worried that not externally converting 'before' importing would mean LR's initial import would in some way create a corrupt initial preview build, and thus leave me with a flawed original in the catalog?

Report · Jun 25, 2017

John - I stated Adobe has placed me on a 7-day trial now I've ended my subscription, because that's exactly what has happened. A quick search shows I'm not the only user who has experienced this, regardless of what Adobe once promised -

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2174621

Refer to post No. 6 in that thread.

Report · Jun 25, 2017

I was approaching the end of my subscription year for LR and tried C1 again before renewing. The C1 subscription is a little more expensive but boy have they improved it in just a year since I last tried it! And not just for Fuji files, everything is improved it seems. If you dial NR right down (off) there is just no smearing or plastic effect like on LR RAF, which is a huge difference. The colour is significantly better with much less work. I could go on, but the point is in that year, C1 has developed into a tool I don't mind paying more for. In that same year LR has... well, it's basically stood still. Apart from getting increasingly buggy and unreliable. And they still haven't got basic exposure correct when using Auto ISO on a Fuji X-Pro 2. It's a joke. Bottom line, I cancelled my subscription and moved to C1. If Adobe ever take LR, and Fuji, seriously again, I'll consider coming back. Oh, and by the way, the Adobe promise that if you cancel your subscription your catalog will still work (just develop will be disabled) is a lie. It simply gives you a 7-day trial. I hate dishonest companies. That alone is reason for me to jump ship.