P: Improved Fuji X-Trans Support?

Report · Jul 02, 2014

Is Fuji X-Trans support being worked on?I appreciate that the support is better now than it was, but the reality is that Lightroom is still a long way behind other RAW developers, all of which are less well funded and with smaller teams working on the software.Lightroom has been the leader in RAW processing an image cataloging as far back as I can recall; but with the Fuji X-Trans files many people I know are leaving Adobe Lightroom for one of the many other developers, all of which are producing far better results than Adobe Lightroom.Ones I have personally tested are as follows: Iridient DeveloperPhoto NinjaLightZoneCapture OneApertureSilkyPixRaw TherapeeIridient is very good, and this is a piece of software made by a single man.My question is, if he can get it right, why can't Adobe? They have been leaders in innovation for many years but it seems in some areas now they are falling behind - I have never seen so many people leave a major developer for smaller independent ones, but to Fuji users (both enthusiasts and professionals) it's a pretty simple decision when you compare results.So all I'd like to know is if my patience sticking with Lightroom is justified, and whether a solution is being worked on - or will always be worked on. Or is it a case that the users wanting such a change are not enough to support such work.

Report · Apr 20, 2017

Unbelievable that Adobe is still not able to process or convert RAF Files properly. When will the X Trans Sensor finally be supported properly? I Can't use Lightroom anymore because of wormy artifacts/ noise being created when the image gets loaded. How is this even possible!?

Report · Mar 22, 2017

Very unhappy with the Fuji X-E2 raw processing. White balance is very bad, and changing it is on a hair trigger between too blue and too yellow. I made a custom profile with colorchecker and everything gets way too magenta. Unusable. JPEGS out of the camera are much, much better.

Report · Mar 22, 2017

Coloration and rendering (gamma?) do not appear to be working correctly in all cases.

re: http://www.fujix-forum.com/index.php/...

Report · Mar 22, 2017

See attached. Yuck.

Report · Mar 22, 2017

Does Adobe thinks to improve the demosaicing method for Fujifilm X-Trans sensor in future? I'm sure they notice the thousands and thousands complains and I understand that the current demosaicing save the image from a different artifacts so I'm just asking is Adobe Staff working on this problem?

I found out that the last version of the raw support resolve the issue with the maze pattern due the green channels equilibration on Olympus which I'm grateful, but I hope it would not take that long to fix (if ever do) the problems with the Fujifilm X-Trans sensor.

Report · Mar 22, 2017

Dear Adobe-Team,
it's a bad joke. I'm using PS since PS6 now, and i always used LR/ACR/Bridge or my Photowork (Nikon/Canon). Now i'm using Fuji to and we all know, that Adobe can not handle the RAF-Files well! The Details are smooth painted with mushy details.
And we all know, irident or Capture1 are making the job really well. I cannont accept, that Adobe knows this problems since the xpro1 came out and nothing changed till now!
Now i switched to Capture1. What a shame!

Report · Mar 22, 2017

Dear Adobe-Team,
it's a bad joke. I'm using PS since PS6 now, and i always used LR/ACR/Bridge or my Photowork (Nikon/Canon). Now i'm using Fuji to and we all know, that Adobe can not handle the RAF-Files well! The Details are smooth painted with mushy details.
And we all know, irident or Capture1 are making the job really well. I cannont accept, that Adobe knows this problems since the xpro1 came out and nothing changed till now!
Now i switched to Capture1. What a shame!

Report · Aug 17, 2016

2 Years - the 5th most "me too'ed" problem on Adobe's forums, and still no word from Adobe.

If you are here for help, don't bother. Just use Iridient or Capture 1, far better RAW processing for most cameras. They also listen and respond to their customers which is pretty invaluable to be honest.

Report · Aug 16, 2016

The CC Desktop app--the infinity symbol in the system notifications area, is what looks for an update and downloads and installs that update.

Updates are released every few months so it can take a few days for the CC app to notice a new update has been released.

So if you've just installed LR CC then it is probably the 6.0 version, still.

You can manually initiate an update check from the CC App by opening it, clicking the gear at the top right, and choose Check for App Updates or some such phrase.

If that doesn't work you can manually download and run the update patcher. The 6.6.1 patch and all the earlier ones, which you don't have to install, first, can be found, here:
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/lightroom-downloads.html

Here's where to initiate an update check in the CC desktop app:

Report · Aug 16, 2016

Thanks very much for replying... I didn't want to spend hours sifting through fora threads when I believe that Adobe should provide more direct assistance! I downloaded a trial version of Lightroom CC (as part of the photographer package), and there doesn't seem to be any facility to update it.

Report · Aug 16, 2016

You're replying to a 2-year-old thread about general X-Trans processing. You're issue seems more about LR version vs camera model.

The X-T10 was first supported by LR 6.1. LR 6.6.1 is the current version.

What precise version of LR do you have? Use Help / System Info..., top few lines, to find out.

Report · Aug 16, 2016

I've just spent over an hour on line (after a half hour wait from someone to speak to) with an Adobe rep trying to sort out why my trial version of Lightroom 6 won't download raw files from Fuji Xt10. Do these folks want us to use their software or not? I used Adobe's raw converter to covert RAF to DNG, but it took ages. Should I be changing to another software provider? I've liked using Lightroom 5 with Olympus and Nikon files, but it is disappointing that Fuji appears not to be supported in the same way.

Report · Aug 01, 2016

I love Lightroom - it's perfect tool for my workflow. But since day I started shooting with Fujifilm (model X-E2, but it is the same for all current Fujifilm X cameras), working with Fuji raws in Lightroom is painful. Import and export are terribly slow (slower than bigger raws from cameras like Nikon D800). I am working with lot of raws, so this speed issue is really problem for me. I want to know if there is a plan from Adobe to optimise Fuji raw processing?

Another issue is well known small details rendering. This is no big issue for me, but another applications for raw developing can render far more and better details from Fuji raw files. So it will be great if Adobe can improve it.

Report · Mar 16, 2016

I bought Iridient Developer and for already two years I am happy with sharpness and in general demozaic of Fuji RAWs. Brian - the chief developer said that in several weeks he will launch a beta version of Iridient for Windows users.
In my opinion Iridient is very easy and powerfull RAW converter.

I would stopped my CC subscription, but I still need Photoshop. Alresdy try Affinity as a Photoshop replacement, but it is not so advanced as PS 😞

Report · Mar 16, 2016

I went all in learning Lightroom and love it, but also went all in with Fuji. Love the Fuji files more than LIghtroom though, so seriously looking at Capture 1 as I downloaded the trial and was blown away by how much better the sharpening is with Capture 1.

Report · Mar 16, 2016

Adobe, it'd be nice to have another update. 9 months ago you said you were working with Fujifilm - please could we know how you're getting on? When we could expect to see an improvement? We won't go on paying monthly Creative Cloud subscriptions forever in the hope you deliver on this! Thanks.

Report · Nov 17, 2015

As a long time Lightroom user, and small time LR tutor, I am delighted to see that version CC/6.3 was released today, fixing most of the bugs and Import process issues, after the furore from seasoned users.

It is also a huge disappointment that I still cannot get acceptable results from my Fuji x100t when raw converted in LR. Is there an actual response from Adobe to give us TransX users a timeline when we might expect to see this issue resolved. I shouldn't have to use other software to get reasonable RAW conversion and work outwith my normal workflow. It's been well documented for long enough... Adobe?

Report · Nov 13, 2015

I recently bought a XT10 with a bunch of lenses and only noticed the Adobe-demosaicing problem afterwards :-(

Any news from Adobe on this topic?

I'm currently using LR CC 2015.2.1 and it's giving me weird demosaicing.
A look I've often seen refered to as "water color effect".

Example:

Looking at an image at 33% makes it look fine, but what's the point then of having 16MPix?

Report · Oct 23, 2015

But who's to be blamed really? Fuji's own jpeg renderings are not much better than LR's

Particularly when compared with the same image taken with a Ricoh GR...

Report · Oct 18, 2015

What I've noticed is a little better result in shooting close-up portraits at closed aperture and not so good result at open apertures:
Lightroom vs Iridient

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Report · Aug 26, 2015

I have recently been using Capture One for X-Trans, and found it a great compromise between the Adobe workflow and file management, and the better detail rendering of Iridient.

If you try C1, be sure to drag the luminance and colour NR sliders to 0, but leave detail slider where it is. I find the default sharpening with a level of 200 works well. The colour correction wheels in C1 are just awesome, by the way, and I like the default colour profiles much better than Adobe.

None of this is to say I don't want Adobe to fix this in LR, but for now there are valid alternatives.

Report · Aug 26, 2015

Glad I found this thread before making the switch to Fujifilm. Hopefully Adobe will pull their corporate act together and provide RAW processing worthy of the X-Trans sensor. If Adobe doesn't, I'll make the switch nonetheless, and then proceed to throw the Adobe baby out with the bathwater in the same instant. I am the consumer, I wield power! Or so they (who?) say...

Report · Jul 21, 2015

Am following this thread with great interest as I have used Lightroom CC for my RAW's since I acquired my Fuji X-E2. I just recently downloaded a trial version of Capture One Pro 8 and am astounded at how much better the sharpening is in Capture One verses Lightroom. Here's another vote for Adobe to improve their X-trans support.

Report · Jun 17, 2015

OK, here is a little comparison, as promised. LR CC (latest update) vs Iridient (latest version). I tried to get the best sharpening I possibly could in LR (100% detail method, Radius 1.0, Amount 40, no masking, no luminance or colour NR) any more than this didn't help actual acuity, just looked more exaggerated and painterly in the fine detailed foliage mid-scene.

Iridient wasn't maxed out by any means at all. Settings were - V3 Detail+ X-Trans, Method-Iridient Reveal, Radius 0.75, Edge Detail Landscape/Strong 150, Texture/Micro detail 15, Edge Masking 0. No noise reduction. This produced a file which might look a little crisp on screen, but was print ready (and indeed produced a lovely, natural looking A2 print). The LR print didn't offer any more real sharpening even at print stage, just nothing more there to work from.

Sorry, didn't work out how to downscale the file-size to post a meaningful 100% crop here, so hope it's OK to just link to a file on my photobucket account? 100% view of a larger file in PS side by side. LR rendering on left, Iridient on right.

http://s122.photobucket.com/user/jame...

[edit: click on the magnifying glass to open a 100% view in browser].

Report · Jun 16, 2015

That News means, it will take another 3 years from now until we see some improvements... 😕