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The recommended order for applying edits is:
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It would be helpful to mention which Lightroom Application you use when seeing this delay. Lightroom Classic? Lightroom Desktop, Mobile, Web?
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YesterdayI saw this behavior in Lightroom classic. Progress bar as quick as in photoshop, but it takes a few minutes to display the result.
Surprisingly today the complete processs was as fast as in Photoshop.
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Running LR Classic (13.3.1)on a Mac Mini M2 Pro running Ventura 13.6.7
In general, remove object works very well. However, fairly often a random image is inserted in the image. The original object to be removed is correctly done and the background is created correctly but then an image is inserted in that masked space. Often it is a bird or birds. In the image I'm working on, I wanted to remove an object on the far left left of the image. That was some light equipment against the backdrop of a stage. What I should have had was pretty much a dark fill. Instead I got a half of a drinks cup inserted. Half as in vertical.
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I don't like it either: with each update lately LrC becomes slower, editing not just with the new additions but also with the standard features
When using the new Generative AI I also noticed that the exported jpg becomes at least twice as big
In general: workflow slows down quite a bit
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Same for me. Progress bar takes some seconds to reach 100%, but then it takes a .... few .... few .... few ... minutes to display the result - unaccepatable.
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I AGREE 10000%
Please bring it back to how it was... PS is now easier but such a hassle to open the image into PS to finish off removing blemishes, objects, etc. Ridiculous!
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It seems to struggle slightly with items in focus against a blurred background - I've just tried it on images of flowers with stalks nearby that I want to remove. After a great many attempts on one image, it eventually removed the stalk and put a fly in its place - and I defintely selected subtract. Whats more, I swear the fly is looking at the camera - a bit of a photobomb. This AI has a sense of humour?! This is literally my first play with it and it looks cool - going to look for images to mess with. It would be nice if one could choose whether the Add or Subtract option is the default.
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Hello,
Generative removal does not yet work well on lights reflected on glass, as they are transparent. Is it possible to improve the cancellation of reflected lights?
Regards
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Does (or will) use of the new generative remove count toward the Adobe credits that were introduced earlier?
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Generative Credits are required for Generative Remove, but at this time, Adobe is not enforcing credits for paying customers. More info can be found here: https://helpx.adobe.com/firefly/using/generative-credits-faq.html
I would expect this to apply while the feature is in "Early Access"
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Thanks for the response. I thought that might be the case. As a paying customer of the full suite, how can I send my feedback on this credit system to Adobe?
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This thread is the best place to submit feedback.
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Thank you. My feedback to the Adobe credit system.
I can understand the costs to maintain the backend cloud servers, developers and operational support costs that go into it (former IT Management). Being that the AI/Firefly code will eventually be the framework of all the Adobe apps, I would expect that an All apps subscription increase of maybe some reasonable $5 or $10 annually, single app plans like the Photography or Illustrator plan maybe $1 or $2. would be easier to justify then having to keep track of some mysterious credit based system. For software that doesn't require a subscription (i.e. Adobe Express), it would benefit from this credit system as it would encourage the user to be a paid member. Certainly there will be pushback from the Freeware community as they are being singled out with some credit based limitation, but their voices shouldn't count as much as the actual paid subscribers. This method reduces the complexity of the credit system while encouraging it's continued adoption to the paid subscribers.
Adobe already the metrics to determine the operational cost justifications, but please don't try to make Firefly a profit center.
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so you forced me to update LRC for the generative removal capacity and it still doesn't work. And, I can not go back to the old version. How am I supposed to function with a non-working "improvement"?
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Hi Rikk,
I'm wondering if there's any clarity on situations where "refresh" vs. a forced "recompute" hits credits. It seems like every full "Refresh" (i.e. I don't like the 3 variations, try again, or I changed the size of the area) probably debits 1 credit, based on the FAQ page.
However, sometimes a tweak to an unrelated setting, or some other unknown change, will force a recompute/refresh of AI settings generally. That's obviously fine for the local AI stuff (context-based remove, AI masks) as it always has been, but it seems like it's probably hitting the server again for the generative piece. I may be incorrect there. Do you know if these forced recomputes will also hit as a credit?
Or, if there's no clarity now (which is fine), just something to pass along as a situation to figure out! It would be nice if it didn't.
Some other feedback to pass along re crediting is that as this is as a "removal" feature, it may require more small tweaks on the user end to get that removal right. This may be true after the feature is refined and released beyond Early Access. If each tweak hits another credit, that could add up.
It is beyond my comprehension of Firefly/generative AI processing in general, but it might be helpful if there's a way of partially leveraging local computing power and/or returning a less server-taxing "preview" for 0 credits. Newer chips might make this possible. I just don't know.
All theoretical, and kind of all depends on how the feature shakes out in the end, but thoughts I hope are all considered.
Many thanks.
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The tool is a remove tool, but it replace what i want removed with something else, why?
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@charlesf1182519 Make sure you are selecting any shadows, reflections or disconnected components as well as the object you are trying to remove. Example: If you take out a person but not their shadow, the AI will assume that something else needs to cast the shadow....
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This is the solution for all those "it's replacing - not removing" issues. Sometimes it can be a very faint relection or shadow, but that's all it takes.
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I have the same doubt. I am trying to remove a person from the picture, but the tool keeps replacing the figure with another person image. Tried it 3 times, and the system generated three different figures.
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I will also add that even when I am very sure I have selected all of an object, and any shadow it may cast/other effect it may be causing, I get what seems more like a replacement than a removal more often than I'd like. If the object was blurry or amorphous, it really has trouble. Then, it often gives me a blurrier object that's a little similar to the surrounding background—but is still clearly a separate generated entity rather than "erased." The entire Gen AI area just becomes a bit of a smear.
(I do always try the traditional tools first, as they are sometimes more tuned to the kind of erasure I'm often looking for, but sometimes they're not powerful enough/can't handle a complex area. Gen AI definitely does better!)
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I have the same issue. The feature was removing well when I first started uisng it but when it first came out but now it is creates different variations of what I an trying to remove. Yes I have certainly selected the whole object and anything connected with the object like a shadow. Yes I have made my selection larger including plenty of surrounding area. Yes I have tried any other suggestins mentiond here but nothing is working. I had people and usually it takes three or four attemts before I finaly get a version that removed the person instead of adding some other person. I have an out of focus rock in the lower corner of the photo and I could not get it removed despite 10 attempts.
This is an issue in my honeset opinion.
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@Frankie Lee: "I have an out of focus rock in the lower corner of the photo and I could not get it removed"
This sounds like you're editing a photo that you've cropped, enabled Lens Corrections, or applied Transform. As explained this help article, in those cases, some of the pixels of the rock could have been cropped out so you're not selecting all of them. Remove operates on the entire uncropped photo, so if you don't select all of the rock's pixels, Remove will try to match the unselected pixels. Try temporarily disabling the crop, Lens Corrections, and/or Transform before apply Remove.
If this doesn't help, please attach the photo here so we and Adobe can see what the issue is.
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