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Unable to use the Enhanced Denoise feature in Lightroom Classic 12.4

Explorer ,
Aug 16, 2023 Aug 16, 2023

I'm running Lightroom Classic Release 12.4 on Windows 10 Pro Version 22H2 OS build 19045.3324.

 

I'm attempting to use the Enhanced Noise Reduction feature. When I activate the feature, the progress bar appears saying "Loading Enhance data" and then the main Enhance Preview window appears. The "Without Enhance" preview appears briefly, then the "Enhanced" preview appears, but it is blank. (The word Enhanced appears, but the preview itself is all light gray.)

 

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When I click the Enhance button, I get this.

 

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Followed by this.

 

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If I turn off the GPU in Preferences, the result is the same, except that I don't get the "GPU Error" dialog box.

I should note that I already have some photos that I have used Enhanced Denoise on successfully, but I think that I processed them when I was running Lightrrom Classic 12.3.

 

 

 

 

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LEGEND , Aug 18, 2023 Aug 18, 2023

The GT 1030 is a six-year-old processor, so though Nvidia hasn't officially moved it to "legacy support", it may not be prioritizing bug fixes.

 

I just noticed that you barely have the minimum required graphics-processor memory:

Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 1355.3MB / 1981.1MB (68%)

 

This could also be the cause of the problem. 

 

Either way, it's most likely that the graphics processor (or its driver) is the culprit, and upgrading to a new processor (perhaps with a new computer) is the on

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Explorer , Aug 29, 2023 Aug 29, 2023

I replaced my GT 1030 2G card with a GT 1050Ti 4G card, and the problem went away. (This card fits in my computer and is compatible with my power supply.) The 1050 probably doesn't have much more processing power than the 1030, but I suspect that the boost from 2 GB to 4 GB of VRAM makes the difference.

 

I would suggest that the Lightroom Classic 2 GB minimum VRAM requirement for GPU cards is below the actual minimum requirements for versions 12.4 and later. My GT 1030 card was sold as having 2 G

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LEGEND ,
Aug 16, 2023 Aug 16, 2023

What is the make/model of your GPU?

What is your GPU driver version?

How much VRAM on your GPU?

 

You can obtain that info in LrC by clicking on Help, then System Info, and you can copy then paste that into a reply.

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Explorer ,
Aug 17, 2023 Aug 17, 2023

Lightroom Classic version: 12.4 [ 202306052221-b70c0975 ]

License: Creative Cloud

Language setting: en

Operating system: Windows 10 - Business Edition

Version: 10.0.19045

Application architecture: x64

System architecture: x64

Logical processor count: 4

Processor speed: 3.6GHz

SqLite Version: 3.36.0

CPU Utilisation: 2.0%

Built-in memory: 24383.1 MB

Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 13.9MB / 1981.1MB (0%)

Real memory available to Lightroom: 24383.1 MB

Real memory used by Lightroom: 1508.7 MB (6.1%)

Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 1642.6 MB

GDI objects count: 755

USER objects count: 2472

Process handles count: 2679

Memory cache size: 67.0MB

Internal Camera Raw version: 15.4 [ 1508 ]

Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 3

Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2

Camera Raw virtual memory: 453MB / 12191MB (3%)

Camera Raw real memory: 469MB / 24383MB (1%)

System DPI setting: 96 DPI

Desktop composition enabled: Yes

Standard Preview Size: 1680 pixels

Displays: 1) 1600x1200

Input types: Multitouch: No, Integrated touch: No, Integrated pen: No, External touch: No, External pen: No, Keyboard: No

 

Graphics Processor Info: 

DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030 (31.0.15.2824)

Init State: GPU for Image Processing supported by default with custom export support

User Preference: Off

 

Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Lightroom Classic

Library Path: F:\Lightroom DB\Lightroom CC Catalog-2-v12.lrcat

Settings Folder: C:\Users\dlspt\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom

 

Installed Plugins: 

1) AdobeStock

2) Flickr

3) Nikon Tether Plugin

 

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LEGEND ,
Aug 17, 2023 Aug 17, 2023

 

 

DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030 (31.0.15.2824)

 

 

'So v 528.24 released 1/23/2024.

At NVIDIA v536.99 is available, released 8/8/2023 (Game Ready only). You might try upgrading that driver. Select Custom install as to force a clean install.

 

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Explorer ,
Aug 18, 2023 Aug 18, 2023

I checked out my NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030 driver in the Windows Control Panel. It looks like it's fairly up-to-date, and there don't seem to be any updates available currently. (The Update Driver button is disabled.) Besides, Enhanced DeNoise is not working even when I have the GPU disabled in Lightroom Classic Preferences.

 

All this mat be academic, as there is a Lightroom Classic 12.5 update just appearing in my Notifications. I'll check it out.

 

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Community Expert ,
Aug 16, 2023 Aug 16, 2023

The "DNG" file you are using to DeNoise- Is that an original camera raw file?

The enhanced Denoise does not work with DNG files derived from external apps like Topaz.

 

Regards. My System: Windows-11, Lightroom-Classic 14.5.1, Photoshop 26.10, ACR 17.5, Lightroom 8.5, Lr-iOS 10.4.0, Bridge 15.1.1 .
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Explorer ,
Aug 17, 2023 Aug 17, 2023

Yes, it is a raw file from a Lumix S5, imported into Lightroom. 

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LEGEND ,
Aug 17, 2023 Aug 17, 2023

Now you need to answer GoldingD's questions, David.

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Explorer ,
Aug 17, 2023 Aug 17, 2023

Just did it.

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Explorer ,
Aug 18, 2023 Aug 18, 2023

I just upgraded to Lightroom Classic 12.5. The Enhanced DeNoise problem has not changed.

 

I went back and looked at the EXIF data on one of the photos that I successfully used Enhanced DeNoise on. (See image) In the Software metadata item, it shows that the image was created by Lightroom Classic 12.3. So Enhanced DeNoise was working on my computer under Lightroom Classic 12.3, but it does not work under Lightroom Classic 12.4 or 12.5.

 

Should I reinstall Lightroom Classic 12.3?

 

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Explorer ,
Aug 18, 2023 Aug 18, 2023

After posting the above, I had the thought that maybe another system update had caused Enhanced DeNoise to quit working. Here are images from my Windows Update history. The successful Enhanced DeNoise image was created on 2023-06-23, so only Windows updates since then could have broken Enhanced DeNoise. And Enhanced DeNoise wasn't working yesterday, so the 2023-08-18 updates wouldn't have broken it, either. And I haven't installed any new applications lately.

 

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LEGEND ,
Aug 18, 2023 Aug 18, 2023

"I checked out my NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030 driver in the Windows Control Panel. It looks like it's fairly up-to-date, and there don't seem to be any updates available currently. (The Update Driver button is disabled.)"

 

As GoldingD indicated, there's a 7-month-old newer driver available for that graphics processor:

https://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us 

 

"Besides, Enhanced DeNoise is not working even when I have the GPU disabled in Lightroom Classic Preferences."

 

Unfortunately, LR's AI commands ignore the setting of Preferences > Performance > Use Graphics Processor.

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Explorer ,
Aug 18, 2023 Aug 18, 2023

Thanks for the link! I found and installed the latest NVIDIA driver for my card. I did do the clean install, as GoldingD suggested. Unfortunately, that had no effect on the problem. The symptoms are still the same. Here's the current Lightroom Classic System Info after the driver update:

 

Lightroom Classic version: 12.5 [ 202308091523-68a7abd6 ]
License: Creative Cloud
Language setting: en
Operating system: Windows 10 - Business Edition
Version: 10.0.19045
Application architecture: x64
System architecture: x64
Logical processor count: 4
Processor speed: 3.6GHz
SqLite Version: 3.36.0
CPU Utilisation: 6.0%
Built-in memory: 24383.1 MB
Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 1355.3MB / 1981.1MB (68%)
Real memory available to Lightroom: 24383.1 MB
Real memory used by Lightroom: 1393.3 MB (5.7%)
Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 3200.8 MB
GDI objects count: 884
USER objects count: 2494
Process handles count: 2170
Memory cache size: 65.9MB
Internal Camera Raw version: 15.5 [ 1595 ]
Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 3
Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2
Camera Raw virtual memory: 405MB / 12191MB (3%)
Camera Raw real memory: 545MB / 24383MB (2%)
System DPI setting: 96 DPI
Desktop composition enabled: Yes
Standard Preview Size: 1680 pixels
Displays: 1) 1600x1200
Input types: Multitouch: No, Integrated touch: No, Integrated pen: No, External touch: No, External pen: No, Keyboard: No
 
Graphics Processor Info: 
DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030 (31.0.15.3699)
Init State: GPU for Image Processing supported by default with custom export support
User Preference: Auto
 
Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Lightroom Classic
Library Path: F:\Lightroom DB\Lightroom CC Catalog-2-v12.lrcat
Settings Folder: C:\Users\dlspt\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom
 
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1) AdobeStock
2) Flickr
3) Nikon Tether Plugin
 
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LEGEND ,
Aug 18, 2023 Aug 18, 2023

Are you still getting this error after restarting LR?

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Explorer ,
Aug 18, 2023 Aug 18, 2023

Yes. If I have "Use Graphics Processor" set to "Auto" in Preferences, I still get the original symptoms, which include this error message. If I set "Use Graphics Processor" to "Off" in Preferences, then I get the original symptoms, but without this error message.

 

As info, the Enhance Preview window does make it through calculating an Estimated Time before it gives up, leaving the Enhanced preview blank.

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LEGEND ,
Aug 18, 2023 Aug 18, 2023

The GT 1030 is a six-year-old processor, so though Nvidia hasn't officially moved it to "legacy support", it may not be prioritizing bug fixes.

 

I just noticed that you barely have the minimum required graphics-processor memory:

Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 1355.3MB / 1981.1MB (68%)

 

This could also be the cause of the problem. 

 

Either way, it's most likely that the graphics processor (or its driver) is the culprit, and upgrading to a new processor (perhaps with a new computer) is the only fix.

 

You could verify that by restarting the computer in Safe Mode With Networking, which completely disables the use of the GPU by apps.  The other AI commands remain usable, running 3-4 times slower, Denoise could take 30 minutes or more to complete. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Explorer ,
Aug 18, 2023 Aug 18, 2023

Yay! It works when I start in Safe Mode with Networking, but it is slow. A 12 megapixel file takes 12 minutes. So I guess it is the GPU card.

 

First of all, thanks to everyone for their patient help. I only use the Enhanced DeNoise feature on some old pictures taken in low light; but it does a great job of making them more presentable.

 

Second, any suggestions about a new video card? I don't play video game; I only do light processing in Lightroom Classic. I doubt I should go for anything high end, as my computer probably doesn't have a very big power supply. Or physical room for something high-end. I don't need much speed, but I do want to use all of the AI stuff.

 

Thanks again!

 

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LEGEND ,
Aug 19, 2023 Aug 19, 2023

For graphics-processor recommendations by the engineer who led the implementation of Denoise, see the paragraph labeled "Need for speed" in this blog post:

https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2023/04/18/denoise-demystified

 

For crowd-sourced benchmarks of Denoise running on various graphics processors, see:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/community/threads/my-recent-gpu-experience-gigabyte-nvidia-rtx-4070-t... 

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Explorer ,
Aug 29, 2023 Aug 29, 2023

I replaced my GT 1030 2G card with a GT 1050Ti 4G card, and the problem went away. (This card fits in my computer and is compatible with my power supply.) The 1050 probably doesn't have much more processing power than the 1030, but I suspect that the boost from 2 GB to 4 GB of VRAM makes the difference.

 

I would suggest that the Lightroom Classic 2 GB minimum VRAM requirement for GPU cards is below the actual minimum requirements for versions 12.4 and later. My GT 1030 card was sold as having 2 GB of VRAM. It worked fine for Enhanced Denoise in Lightroom Classic version 12.3, but it quit working when I upgraded to Lightroom Classic version 12.4. Moving to a card with 4 GB VRAM solved the problem. I suspect that 4 GB VRAM is the actual minimum requirement now.

 

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LEGEND ,
Aug 29, 2023 Aug 29, 2023
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Glad the new card is working for you.

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