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Using the sync'd folders on my local drive as the Classic library

Explorer ,
Oct 31, 2019 Oct 31, 2019

I'm trying to use LR CC as my configuration management tool, and LR Classic as my picture/presentation creating tool.

Trying to sync 110K pictures and video takes forever, and is so error prone (the system hangs forever = entire night quite often).

Currently, I have the library on an SSD, and the Synced images on an external harddrive. I have 7 processors running at 4.3 GH, and an NVDIA GEForce GTX 1060 card with 3GB for Graphics processor acceleration.

I've been trying for a week to complete this task, and am still at the begining (having restarted to improve the process a number of times including providing LR Classic with 4 of my 7 processors exclusively.)

 

1. What am I doing wrong?

2. Since I already have a full backup of my pictures sync'd to LR CC, can I simply use those files as the classic inputs into LR Classic?

3. I understand that would mean LRCC could override them, but that seems both unlikely, or planned.

HELP!

Leon

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Community Expert ,
Oct 31, 2019 Oct 31, 2019

It's not really clear what you're trying to achieve, but remember this - Adobe do not advocate the idea of using both Cloudy Lightroom and Classic Lightroom. You can possibly gain some benefits from using them both (eg treating Cloudy as the equivalent of LR Mobile but running on your second computer), but that's not how Adobe intended Cloudy to be used.

What do you mean by "this task"? Are you importing the 110k images into Cloudy Lightroom? If so, it will sync the files up to Adobe's cloud, and then down sync them down into the Classic Lightroom catalogue. That's going to be slow with 110k images.

 

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Explorer ,
Nov 01, 2019 Nov 01, 2019

The problem is configuration management. The capabilities of Classic are much more developed than those of the Cloud version, but I want all my pictures, and I still have lots more all over the place, in one place, only one copy per picture, and safely tucked in the cloud.

On that set of pictures, I'd like to perform Classic actions (like slide shows, picture books, etc.) without ever adding another slightly modified picture to the set. Life is too short for the constant winowing that this causes / has caused.

Leon

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Community Expert ,
Oct 31, 2019 Oct 31, 2019

Some questions that might help us figure this out:

 

  • What is the total data size of the 110,000 photos and videos? Do they fit into the Creative Cloud storage limit of your current plan?
  • How fast are your Internet download and upload data rates? If you divide the total data size of the 110K images and videos by your upload data rate (for syncing up to the cloud) and your download data rate (for syncing down the images you want to edit), remembering to correct for megabytes vs megabits, you'll get a rough idea of how many days it should take.
  • What steps did you use? This is important, because if you synced up from Lightroom it will upload originals into the cloud and then Lightroom Classic will download originals back to your local storage, meaning you'd end up with two local copies of the entire set. But if you synced up from Lightroom Classic it will upload Smart Previews (not originals) into the cloud, and that's what Lightroom will sync back down.

 

The title of the thread sounds like something that shouldn't be done, so some clarification of the goal is in order. Taken at face value, it's setting up the two Lightrooms for major conflicts since they manage images in completely different ways. For example, in your question #2, you can't really use the local copies of your Lightroom (CC) images as the inputs in to Lightroom Classic, because technically, the only local copies that Lightroom keeps after initial sync are cached copies of the originals which are stored in the cloud. And those are stored in a hidden folder because it isn't supposed to be user-accessible. You can "break into" that hidden Lightroom folder and tell Lightroom Classic to catalog it, but because it's only a local cache, the contents and folder structure will constantly change, so Lightroom Classic will complain about missing folders and files all the time. And obviously that computer-managed cache folder structure will not preserve how you might have organized them in your local backup.

 

You may want to read about the experiences of another professional who tried to go down the same road, as what he said sounds a little like what you're after:

 

“...what I’m aiming for is to get my entire collection of photos, all 335,731 of them, comprising about 4TB, onto Adobe’s Creative Cloud servers with as little disturbance to my workflow as possible. I want Creative Cloud to be my canonical place for all my photos, but given Lightroom CC’s stripped-down approach, I imagine I’ll still want to use Lightroom Classic for some things.”

 

What he wrote is sort of a cautionary tale, and he even has friends at Adobe that he talked to about this: Migrating from Lightroom Classic to Lightroom CC, and the Controversy Over Using Them Together: An E.... Basically, you have to think this through very carefully.

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Explorer ,
Nov 01, 2019 Nov 01, 2019

Thanks for your response.

I'm using 750GB of my 1TB allotment. My wifi is 300MBPS, and I thought I was keeping a full backup of lightroom images and videos on a 4TB external drive using a USB3 connection.

The actual files are at I:\LightroomSync\LightroomSync\Lightroom CC\55f27a97586d4caf8b965c2f31ec407b\originals - they have yearly, monthly and day folders.  So I could, at least theoretically, make them available to a Lightroom Classic database.

It is my understanding that any changes to the images are kept within the database without affecting the originals, so it could work.

HOWEVER. I'm not trying to break anything or be cute. What is the best way to let Lightroom on the Web provide configuration management while using Classic to perform modifications, organization of presentations, and inputs to Premier Pro?

Leon

PS. I was simply exporting the dates in question, massaging that data, getting my results, and losing complete configuration management as a result of my own incompetence.

 

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Explorer ,
Nov 01, 2019 Nov 01, 2019

Sorry, didn't add that I have a fairly fast 4.3 GHz PC with a pushed i7-740x CPU.

Leon

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Explorer ,
Nov 01, 2019 Nov 01, 2019
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I have now read the article/memmoir you mentioned. It seems to me we need one more capability in Lightroom Cloud to make Classic work, the ability to upload our finished Classic work using Cloud and replace them by name or by some other identifying characteristics. They would represent the updates from Classic, and would become our updated Cloud.

Let me know where I'm wrong.

Leon

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