Lightroom Classic: Improve control over reverse-geocoded Location metadata

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LEGEND ,
May 26, 2012 May 26, 2012

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LR 4.1rc2 under Windows 7 x64The reverse-geocoding function of LR4 is a great feature and a potential time-saver, yet it can lead to some minor disasters.Specifically, there is currently no way to "stabilize" the location metadata that has been automatically filled by LR (displayed in gray italics). Editing any value by hand e.g. a misspelled City name, leads to all other fields (Country, State, Sublocation) being emptied - problematic when filters are effective on these fields, as the photo suddenly disappears and end up with partly missing location info.Possible remedies: when location info has been automatically filled by LR :- provide (only in such a case) a checkbox offering to "keep these values", so they can from then on be appear as 'normal' metadata, and be edited as such without some tricky behaviouror- make these auto-filled values separate from each other, allowing to edit one without discarding all the others. That would also allow the reverse-geocoding feature to work with any photo which has *some* location fields empty, not only those which have *all* (that is: Reverse-geocoding would always fill missing values, yet keeping any user-defined ones - let's assume photographers know better than Google where they have been shooting...)My preference would rather go to the first solution, as it appears to give more control without making the inner workings of reverse-geocoding too complex.
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Adobe Employee , Aug 22, 2018 Aug 22, 2018
Lightroom Classic CC 7.5 was released today and should address this issue.  If you don’t see the update in your Creative Cloud App, hit the [Ctrl/Cmd]+ [Alt/Opt]+[R] to force a refresh. 

Give the new version a try and let us know if it solves the issue. 

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LEGEND ,
May 27, 2012 May 27, 2012

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E.g. :

took a few shots of the beautiful Earth during a flight. Knowing the GPS coordinates, I enter them in the GPS field.

Reverse-geocoding now informs me (in hard-to-read gray italics) that I was flying over Country:"Estonia" Province:"Pärnu County" (ahem, Estonians don't use the word 'county') City:"Vändra vald", Sublocation: (blank).

Let's edit 'Pärnu county' to 'Pärnu maakond' or simply 'Pärnu'. I click in the metadata field, oh wait, can't edit the value, it disappeared! Alrighty, let's type it by hand then. Speak of a time-saving feature. OK, 'Pärnu', validate with Enter...

» Oh no, my photo now has the right State/Province as I entered it, but no known country or city anymore...

Have to find the photo again in the library (damn' filters) then clean my hand-entered State/Province value so that reverse-geocoded fields get filled again. Alas, I'll have to live with this ugly 'Pärnu County' that I can't change without messing all the rest.

Now, the 'Sublocation' field was left empty by Adobe's dumb geocoding feature; let's type something in there: "onboard a Boeing 747" and validate.

» Oh no, my photo now has a clever Sublocation info, but City, State/Province and Country are blank !

Hey Adobe, want to drive your customers nuts ? 😉

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LEGEND ,
May 27, 2012 May 27, 2012

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Similar complaints:

http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...

As a clumsy workaround, you can first “commit” the italicized location fields by clicking on their label (e.g. click on “Country”). This records them permanently in the metadata, and you can then edit them without fear of them disappearing on you.

Interestingly, if you don’t have an active filter on a location field, then the italicized location fields aren’t cleared as you edit them until you select another image.

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LEGEND ,
May 28, 2012 May 28, 2012

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Thanks for the workaround; not perfect but that will do.

Minor problem still persisting: no way to get rid of the auto-filled ISO country code though.

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LEGEND ,
May 28, 2012 May 28, 2012

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To get rid of the ISO country code: Click on one or more of the location labels except "ISO Country Code" to commit them. Then select another photo, then select this photo again -- you'll see that ISO Country Code no longer contains an uncommitted (italicized) value.

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LEGEND ,
Oct 31, 2012 Oct 31, 2012

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In LR4 it is possible to have reverse geocoded address information suggested for locations.

However to save these suggestions a click on each respective suggestion for country, country code, city and state is needed.

Please add an option to always accept these suggestions. My workflow should be: Click on image, click on location on map. Done.

Right now it is: click on image, click on location on map, click on country code, choose suggestion, click on city, choose suggestion, click on state, choose suggestion, click on country, choose suggestion. Done.

If there are more than one suggestions the first match could be chosen and only *after* it has been automatically applied I could change it by clicking on the respective metadata label and choose another suggestion or manually edit it.

See this post for my initial question: http://forums.adobe.com/message/43218...

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LEGEND ,
Oct 31, 2012 Oct 31, 2012

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After reverse-geocoding 15,000 photos from their gps data I've all their location field's filled. BUT they cannot be saved/committed unless I do each specific location by manually selecting it. Does anyone - Adobe, even - know how to commit greyed/italic/uncommitted location data en-mass? I seriously can't believe you can automate this aspect but cannot automate the committing of the data!

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LEGEND ,
Mar 11, 2013 Mar 11, 2013

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Write Reverse Geocoding suggestions into xmp + make permanent easily

As mentioned, Lightroom only exports reverse geocoding suggestions if the option is checked in the catalog settings.
I can see no reason why LR does not also write them out into the image file or its xmp sidecar when "Save Metadata to File" is chosen. At least it should be an option.

It does write this data, if it was made permanent fist by clicking on the filed titles ("Sublocation", "City" etc.) and then selecting the first entry in the appearing pop-up. But this can be a tedious process if it needs to be done to multiple images with different location data ( appears in the fields).

There should be a button "Make Reverse Geocoding suggestions permanent" as others requested.

Lastly, there is some weird behavior with the ISO Country Code field. If it was once filled out manually, then gets deleted and the image is either exported or metadata is saved to the file, the old ISO Country Code value will still be there (can be seen in Photo Mechanic).

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LEGEND ,
Sep 17, 2013 Sep 17, 2013

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I would say this is more or less a must

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LEGEND ,
Sep 19, 2013 Sep 19, 2013

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I don't know much about this stuff, so please forgive if I'm not even close, but maybe

http://regex.info/blog/2008-10-29/979

would help

?

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LEGEND ,
Sep 21, 2013 Sep 21, 2013

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Thanks Rob - I just tested it and it seems to work fine. I would appreciate if Adobe could fix LR, but meanwhile I'll use the plugin from Jeffrey Friedl.

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 22, 2014 Oct 22, 2014

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Any news on that issue?
As much as I value Mr Friedl's plugins, it seems overkill having to install a separate plugin only to save IPTC metadata. Something that LR definitely *can* do.

btw: it's feasible through command line utilities... although far from straightforward (sqlite3 to grab the info from the catalog by parsing tables/values to convert to city/country/etc. strings + exiftool to write these strings back to files + 'Read metadata from files' to reimport that metadata into LR)

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Community Beginner ,
Jun 11, 2015 Jun 11, 2015

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Bueller? Bueller? Come on guys... Without being able to quickly and easily commit to the location information... whats the point of providing it?

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Community Beginner ,
Jun 23, 2015 Jun 23, 2015

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Lightroom obviously did a reverse geocoding. But the data are in dark grey, can't be edited (only overwritten) and are not written to the jpg file. Other software (Media Pro, e.g.) does it without problems. The date are read by Lightroom afterwards and then they are in white letters and can be edited. Any ideas?

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Community Beginner ,
Aug 20, 2015 Aug 20, 2015

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3 years later, the merry folks at Adobe still haven't a clue as to how to write metadata back to files...

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Community Beginner ,
Aug 20, 2015 Aug 20, 2015

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Obviously they refuse a solution....

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Community Beginner ,
Sep 23, 2015 Sep 23, 2015

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I cannot understand why adobe refuses to remove this bug! And it's not the only one...

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New Here ,
Dec 27, 2015 Dec 27, 2015

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Yeah, why can't this be fixed? I keep thinking that the next version of lightroom will allow us to quickly and easily confirm the data, which we could then (of course) edit at will. There seems to be no advantage to the "grey" data, to me.

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Community Beginner ,
Dec 27, 2015 Dec 27, 2015

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I found that the lastest version of LR fixed the problem – but not always. I am still observing and investigating as I get new photos to tag in LR.

Most of my photos are tagged outside of LR.

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New Here ,
Jan 08, 2016 Jan 08, 2016

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I downloaded the latest trial version yesterday and spent hours trying to figure out how to write the reverse geocoded location to the files. Nothing worked. How can this be done for thousand of images at a time?

This is such a basic function that certainly after 5 years this issue has been fixed. I am still on iView/MediaPro but would like to switch to LR if they can finally fix some of the issues incl. this one.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 09, 2016 Jan 09, 2016

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What you have to do is select a group of images that have the same value in a field - eg Lancashire is in State. Then click the label "State" and you'll see Lancashire is listed as an option. Choosing this writes the value directly into the field, and it would be saved to xmp.

Where this fails is if you have many images with different reverse-geotagged values in State. You have to select all the Lancashire ones, then the Yorkshire, then the..... And that's just for the State field. What's needed is a simple command Save All Reverse-Geotagged Values to IPTC Field.

But do remember that reverse-geotagged values do get written to files exported from Lightroom.

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Community Beginner ,
Jan 09, 2016 Jan 09, 2016

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There is still a problem with geocoding. Sometimes it work in LR sometime with the plugin from Jeffrey Friedl. But the best way is to use an app outside of LR and sync all folders after that is done. Not really elegant, but it works 😞

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Community Beginner ,
Jan 09, 2016 Jan 09, 2016

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There is still a problem with geocoding. Sometimes it work in LR sometime with the plugin from Jeffrey Friedl. But the best way is to use an app outside of LR and sync all folders after that is done. Not really elegant, but it works 😞

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New Here ,
Jan 09, 2016 Jan 09, 2016

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Thanks, Richard. You are right, and I have done that before (GeoSetter does the trick), but I continue to be surprised the Lightroom, all these years on, can't fix what is seemingly a very easy problem.

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Community Beginner ,
Jan 09, 2016 Jan 09, 2016

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It's indeed incredible. But in the moment LR gives me the best overview over my pictures. So I stay...

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LEGEND ,
Jan 12, 2016 Jan 12, 2016

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There are now two plugins for working around this deficiency in LR:

- The Geoencoding Support plugin is the best solution for those who spend a lot of time tagging their photos with locations: http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-good...

- For those who wish to stick with LR's geoencoding, my Any Tag plugin now has commands for finding and committing the locations automatically added by LR (in gray font): http://www.johnrellis.com/lightroom/a...

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