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didierc69515119
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March 27, 2021
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P: Lightroom Classic: synched brush not at the same place on a cropped copy ??

  • March 27, 2021
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Hello,

 

I just found an issue on the latest LR version:

if you select all parameters except the reframing when synching parameters to a virtual copy which is differently reframed, the brush is not copying to the right place 🙂

 

Didier

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Rikk Flohr_Photography
Community Manager
December 16, 2021

Updating Status

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Rikk Flohr_Photography
Community Manager
July 22, 2021

@11115790 - I've been in talks with the team and, at least for the Virtual Copy workflow we are looking at a fix. 

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johnrellis
Legend
June 29, 2021

I released the Copy Settings plugin, which correctly copies local adjustments, spot removals, transforms, and crops between photos. It also lets you define presets for which settings should be copied.  I'm hoping that Adobe will fix all the bugs with Copy/Synchronize Settings soon, but meanwhile, this plugin will get the job done.

johnrellis
Legend
May 13, 2021

I've written a memo analyzing the problems with copying crops and local adjustments described in this thread and others and providing a straightforward method for correcting them:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/lightroom-classic/lightroom-correct-copying-of-crops-and-local-adjustments/609cafb1577a0e42cab0ae09 

didierc69515119
Known Participant
May 11, 2021

@John_R_Ellis
Thank you so much !

Finally someone with common sense 🙂

johnrellis
Legend
May 11, 2021

As noted previously, the behavior of copying local adjustments to cropped virtual copies changed from 10.1.1 to 10.2. 

 

Here's an example in LR 9.4, copying a clone brush, adjustment brush, radial filter, and graduated filter. The adjustments appear over the same underlying pixels: 

 

LR 10.1.1 shows the same behavior:

But LR 10.2 shows different behavior, with the adjustments (except clone) shifting their location:

 

I agree that the previous behavior makes sense, while I can't think of any use-cases supporting the new behavior.

 

I believe this change was an unintended side effect of a change made in LR 10.2 to correctly handle copying of local adjustments between photos with different EXIF orientations (e.g. from a portrait raw that had been rotated-in camera to a TIF created by Photoshop editing that raw):

https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/lightroom-classic/lightroom-classic-local-adjustments-and-crops-dont-copy-or-work-in-presets-applied-to-rotated-photos/5f5f45bb4b561a3d425c83ec

 

I think both use-cases can be handled correctly, copying local adjustments to crops and copying local adjustments to different orientations.  I'll start a new conversation on that and post back here when I've done so.

didierc69515119
Known Participant
May 11, 2021

@walter_thirion 

This is not the behaviour of all previous versions.


The way of working is personal, often we go back to settings and resynchronizing the modification is something logical and straightfoward.
If you have to erase your crops and redo them from the modified original it becomes laborious!


Especially since this is the initial behavior of lightroom since the first version and on all versions except the latest.

Rikk Flohr_Photography
Community Manager
May 11, 2021

This thread is being merged into an existing authoritative thread for better tracking and response. Please review the official answer (if any) in the second post on the thread for more information. 

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Walt Thirion Photography
Known Participant
May 11, 2021

I'm not sure I agree with you and the current behavior is what I would expect and prefer. Brush strokes are local adjustments and, in general, are not content aware. So when you sync the brush stroke across photos, all LR can do is use a relative position as it has no idea what the underlying content is. Syncing to a virtual copy you've cropped is not a workflow I'd recommend. A better workflow might be to make all local adjustments that you think will be needed across all virtual copies before you make the virtual copies or at least before you crop. Then after you've made the local adjustments you think will be required across all virtual copies, make the virtual copies, crop each as necessary and continue to make local adjustments specific to that instance of the virtual copy.

didierc69515119
Known Participant
May 11, 2021

Is there anyone with any common sense on this forum?
Here is the answer I received on a bug that I reported as soon as the current version was put into service

"The team has confirmed this is as-designed behavior. Feel free to submit a feature request or change this post to an Idea if you want the behavior changed. "

1. Editing an image

2. Create a virtual copy

3. Crop the copy (uncentered!)

4. Adding a brush stroke to the original

5. Synching only the brush from original to copy

6. Interrogate brush stroke

Expected : brush stroke over the same part of the image, the eyes for instance.

Actual : brush stroke has moved to a different area !!! I will keep the same relative position but if the crop is uncentered it will not be on the same place, the eyes of the subject for instance...

The same for the other tools (graduated, radial filter)

This is a major bug, this completely silly change appeared with the latest version !!!

https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/lightroom-classic/lightroom-classic-win-10-brush-not-at-the-same-place-when-synching-brush-on-a-reframed-virtual-copy/605f8ed3d310b55034d41f13?commentId=609aab39c9914b714831e2f4