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P: Add PSB as a file format for external editing

LEGEND ,
Feb 11, 2020 Feb 11, 2020

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Now that LR 9.2 supports importing PSB files, it would be a little more convenient if you could specify PSB as the default format for editing in Photoshop (Preferences > External Editing > Edit In Adobe Photoshop > File Format). 

As it stands now, if you want to save an edited file in PSB format, you must remember to do File > Save As and select Large Document Format.

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LEGEND ,
Feb 11, 2020 Feb 11, 2020

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Very much agree with this!  When I saw the release notes that PSB files are supported I was shocked to see that it isn't an option to use that format for external editing in Photoshop.  

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Adobe Employee ,
Feb 11, 2020 Feb 11, 2020

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Thanks for your valuable input John. Will pass this on to the team.

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Community Expert ,
Feb 12, 2020 Feb 12, 2020

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Or ask Adobe to remove any need for PSB?

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Explorer ,
Apr 15, 2020 Apr 15, 2020

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Now that PSB is supported it's time to add it to the External Editing options

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Community Beginner ,
Apr 29, 2020 Apr 29, 2020

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It may well support PSB but you try importing them a modest 4.5 gb comes back with a too big error message

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Adobe Employee ,
Apr 29, 2020 Apr 29, 2020

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Lightroom Support for PSB is currently limited to files whose long edge does not exceed 65K pixels or the entire image is less than 512 Megapixels and it must be saved in Max Compatibility. Photoshop is capable of exceeding these values. 
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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Community Beginner ,
Apr 29, 2020 Apr 29, 2020

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so whats the point of that

we need more 

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Community Expert ,
Apr 29, 2020 Apr 29, 2020

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It's sufficient for the vast majority of the small minority who are forced to save as PSB.

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LEGEND ,
Apr 29, 2020 Apr 29, 2020

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I don't think Adobe needs to spend valuable development time to support files greater than 65K pixels or 512MP in Lightroom.   I am sure the percent of people that need this is very close to zero.  

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LEGEND ,
Apr 29, 2020 Apr 29, 2020

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There are two general use-cases for needing to use PSBs:

- Starting with a high-resolution image, well under LR's pixel limits, and adding many layers in Photoshop to implement a non-destructive workflow. 

- Starting with a ultra-high-resolution image exceeding LR's pixel limits, produced by a panorama merge or a specialized (very expensive) camera.

I believe that the great majority of LR users of PSBs fall into the first camp.  My belief is based on monitoring this forum and the community forum for a decade and on feedback from customers of my PSB Quick Look plugin for Mac OS.

A typical example of the first use case: The retouchers in an ad agency start with a full-frame DSLR photo of a running shoe and, responding to requests from their art director, end up with more than two dozen layers.

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Community Expert ,
Apr 29, 2020 Apr 29, 2020

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I think you're right about the two groups, but very few people ever set out to create PSBs - they do so only when they can no longer save their work normally. If you need PSB, you just choose it in Photoshop's save dialog and wouldn't need or anticipate making such a choice in LR.

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LEGEND ,
Apr 29, 2020 Apr 29, 2020

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I disagree.  With ultra high resolution cameras like the GFX 100 and the desire to composite 16 bit images in Photoshop I routinely run into the 4GB file limit of TIFF files. A side benefit is uncompressed PSBs, although can get huge actually save to disk much faster than compressed TIFFs so they always would be my preferred choice. 

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Community Expert ,
Apr 30, 2020 Apr 30, 2020

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The "side benefit" being that compression takes longer than saving uncompressed?

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LEGEND ,
Apr 30, 2020 Apr 30, 2020

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Hi John, I think you misread. The side benefit is the uncompressed PSBs save much faster than compressed TIFFs on any large file sizes, not just ones approaching 4GB.

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Community Expert ,
Apr 30, 2020 Apr 30, 2020

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You need to compare uncompressed PSB against uncompressed TIF, Matt. I doubt you'll see any difference.

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Community Beginner ,
Apr 30, 2020 Apr 30, 2020

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I think the point being made is that you cannot use tiff above 4gb so you either need to compress the file of save as psb and the psb saves and opens quicker than a compressed tiff

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Participant ,
Mar 18, 2023 Mar 18, 2023

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When I work with a lot of layers from my 24MP camera or (fewer layers) from my 45MP camera in Photoshop, Photoshop often tells me to save the file in PSB and I have to manually navigate to the working forlder and put "-Edit" in the name myself.

 

It's not much but would be great if I were to given an option to default the file type to PSB.

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LEGEND ,
Mar 20, 2023 Mar 20, 2023

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If you click Cancel when it asks you to save as PSB and instead do File > Save As, it will select the right folder for you. But you'll still have to add -Edit manually.

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LEGEND ,
Mar 20, 2023 Mar 20, 2023

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Mar 22, 2023 Mar 22, 2023

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hitting cancel and trying to save again to move save folder location to the OG file location does not work for me

 OS12.6.3 Photoshop24.2.0 LRC12.2.1

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New Here ,
May 12, 2023 May 12, 2023

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Currently, when selecting "Edit In...Photoshop" from Lightroom Classic there is the option to open the raw image in Photoshop as either a PSD or TIFF. If the edits and layers created in Photoshop result in a file larger than 2 or 4 GB, it must be saved as a PSB (Large Format file). Unfortunately, this requires utilizing the Save As dialog in Photoshop and manually navigating to the folder where the other images in the set are stored, creating potential issues due to human error and costing unnecessary time. Similarly, when opening a previously edited TIFF from Lightroom Classic into Photoshop, and making changes that result in the need for a PSB file, the resulting file does not automatically import into Lightroom, requiring a manual import operation. Apart from compatibility with older software versions, there doesn't seem to be any good reason why images shouldn't be converted immediately to PSB when opening raws from Lightroom, if a user knows they routinely work with large files and expect the edited file size to exceed the lower limits of other formats.

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Community Expert ,
May 13, 2023 May 13, 2023

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Yes, this is long overdue. Same with export.

 

Some of us are now at a point where it would make much more sense to use PSB consistently and routinely. We keep bumping into the file size ceiling constantly. There is still no preference in Photoshop to set PSB as default instead of PSD, so having PSB straight out of Lightroom would go a long way.

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LEGEND ,
May 13, 2023 May 13, 2023

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Dec 03, 2023 Dec 03, 2023

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https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-discussions/saving-as-tif-how-to-set-default-as-z...

I too am running into this issue with PSB being ideal container for edited photographs with many layers exceeding 4GB. 

I am also running into the issue of Photoshop not saving to the original folder from which LrC sent the image from, and requiring far too many user intervention and impedes workflow. 

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Participant ,
Mar 25, 2024 Mar 25, 2024

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Support this too, PSB files would help me a lot.

My situation: Compression during saving is incredibly slow, but with today's SSD speeds it is much faster to just work with uncompressed files. However it takes just a few layers to exceed PSD file size limit.

Exporting directly to PSB would solve this (faster compression would partially solve it too 🙂 )

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