P: Bring back the ability of Enhance to run in the background. (LrC)

[adventure_photo]

I just updated to Lightroom Classic 14.4 and although I do like the fact that I can Denoise without creating a DNG file, I still would like the option to select a series of images and menu: Photo>Enhance... to let it create dngs in the background which enables me to work on other images while it;s doing those. Currently, in 14.4 it takes a long time, especially if I have multiple images that I am denoising and I cannot do anything elese while it's doing that process. Is there still a way possible to do it the old previous way of creating a DNG Denoised file? Seems like an oversight when implementing this new way and slows down my whole workflow.

[johnrellis]

@Kevin21847195h63q: "it seems I am now required to Enhance each photo one-by-one between each photo I edit."

You can apply Denoise to an entire batch of photos at once, rather than doing it one by one -- use Copy/Paste, Sync Settings or Auto Sync to copy the Denoise setting from the first photo to the other photos in the batch. Or you can define a preset, which you can apply to a batch of photos in Library by doing Quick Develop > Saved Preset.

[defaultuz6s618w5u07]

Sehr geehrtes Adobe-Team,

mit dem Update auf Lightroom Classic 13.3 / 13.4  wurde die bisher über „Verbessern…“ erreichbare KI-Entrauschung durch eine neue, nicht-destruktive Integration im Panel „Details“ ersetzt. Das Ziel, Denoising direkt im Entwicklungsmodul verfügbar zu machen, ist grundsätzlich sinnvoll – aber die Umsetzung ist aus Sicht erfahrener Nutzer ungenügend:

:red_circle: Es fehlt jede Möglichkeit, die Stärke der Entrauschung manuell anzupassen
:red_circle: Der fest vorgegebene Wert (z. B. 50 %) lässt sich nicht regulieren
:red_circle: Der frühere Regler war präzise, visuell nachvollziehbar und kontrollierbar

Für mich als engagierten Fotografen, der mit der RAW-Entwicklung sorgfältig umgeht (z. B. für Wettbewerbe oder Print), ist die neue Lösung ein klarer Rückschritt. Ich verliere die Möglichkeit, die Bildwirkung gezielt zu steuern – etwas, das gerade bei Rauschverhalten in dunklen oder fein strukturierten Bildbereichen entscheidend ist, vor allem auch, wenn ich Porträts mit hohen ISO-Werten aufnehme.

Bitte führt entweder den manuellen Regler im neuen „Details“-Panel ein – oder bietet eine Option, das bisherige „Verbessern“-Verfahren mit DNG-Erzeugung parallel weiterhin zu nutzen.

Vielen Dank für Eure Arbeit – aber bitte nehmt das Feedback ernst.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Bernhard Westrup
Fotograf & Website-Entwickler für den Cameraclub St. Johann in Tirol

[johnrellis]

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@defaultuz6s618w5u07: "There is no option to manually adjust the level of noise reduction. The fixed value (e.g. 50%) cannot be adjusted"

After you check Denoise and the initial value of 50 is computed, you can quickly change the slider to any value between 1 and 100:

Does that not work for you?

[defaultuz6s618w5u07]

No, unfortunately it does not work. According to the version info, I have LR CC 13.4 and the slider for denoising is greyed out. As soon as you tick the box, denoising starts immediately. After that you can move the slider, but it has no effect. The old workflow was definitely more user-friendly. (And I'm not a beginner, but a long-time professional).

Bernhard

[johnrellis]

@defaultuz6s618w5u07: "it does not work. According to the version info, I have LR CC 13.4 and the slider for denoising is greyed out. As soon as you tick the box, denoising starts immediately. After that you can move the slider, but it has no effect."

I think you meant 14.4, not 13.4. Here's a screen recording showing Denoise working as intended:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nmm1recrxtmr6vcrdkwm9/denoise-slider.lr14.4.mp4?rlkey=1y04g7cbr25844w... 

If the slider was broken for everyone, we'd have seen a gazillion posts here by now.  Something is going wrong with your particular LR installation or camera.

Rather than continuing to troubleshoot it in this Idea thread, please start a new thread in Discussions describing what you observe. Do the LR menu command Help > System Info and copy/paste the entire contents into your post so we can see exactly which versions of hardware and software LR thinks you're running and important LR options that are set. Also, upload a sample raw that's not working properly to Wetransfer, Dropbox, Google Drive or similar free service and include the sharing link in the post. 

[michelleg7073996]

Sure it works, but you can't tell the difference in effect like you could tell in the modal window of 13.4. Just guessing. Not the same. A step backwards. And should be able to choose before doing the work



Sent from my Galaxy

[drtonyb]

@michelleg7073996 

You can zoom the photo to whatever level you want to see the detail of the Denoise effect while varying the Amount slider, unlike the fixed zoom the previous Denoise had. These plus no extra DNG file are significant steps forward in my opinion.

[Alan Wander]

Has anyone meet the same conflict like me? I have using Denoise since was providet by adobe and using it for events when I shoot in low light or bad conditions. In previous version was Denois slow but absolutely insane, but this new Ai denoise is exactly what provide Remini Ai some times ago.

Yes it makes photos less noise, but in the way when everything look weird and unusble. Mostly talking about photos with people, specifically with people in the background of shooted persons. Ai is  not just denoise, but taking back focus and details, which is make people in the background looks weirdos! 

Dear Adobe, you taking kinda much money to provide someting better !! Do IT!!!

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[johnrellis]

@Alan Wander: "it makes photos less noise, but in the way when everything look weird and fuc**** unusble. Mostly talking about photos with people, specifically with people in the background of shooted persons. Ai is  not just denoise, but taking back focus and details, which is make people in the background looks weirdos!"

Wierd. There haven't been previous reports about this misbehavior. Please provide:

1. Full-resolution screenshots (not phone pics) from Develop, before and after applying Denoise. Include the open Detail panel in the screenshots.

2. Upload an original raw with the problem to Wetransfer, Dropbox, Google Drive or similar free service and post the sharing link here. We can see if the issue is specific to your computer or occurs on other installations.

3. Do the LR menu command Help > System Info and copy/paste the entire contents here so we can see exactly which versions of hardware and software LR thinks you're running and important LR options that are set.

[ppdix]

totally agree. I use Lr, not LrC and switched back to 8.3.1.

The workflow is ridiculously slow and having to hit that dumb yellow button everytime something changes slows you down even more. Besides, why do you need to tweak the Denoise settings? I keep mine at around 80 and it works great. No need to return to change it afterwards.

Also since I use Lr and I only have 5 stars but no colors to sort photos, i just search for DNG files and they show on my grid ready to edit in PS...

Cheers

[johnrellis]

@ppdix: "having to hit that dumb yellow button every time something changes"

This bug doesn't happen for most users, and though many dozens of people have reported the symptoms, Adobe has not yet acknowledged it:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-ai-masks-require-updating-and-or-disa... 

The first reply in that thread has a workaround that helps some but far from all who trip over this.

Add your constructive opinion to that thread, and copy/paste the output from the LR menu command Help > System Info, so Adobe can see exactly which versions of hardware and software LR thinks you're running and important LR options that are set. That thread will be updated when there are any updates from Adobe on the problem.

[johnrellis]

@ppdix: "why do you need to tweak the Denoise settings? I keep mine at around 80 and it works great. No need to return to change it afterwards."

While editing a photo with Denoise set to 80, define a preset with just Denoise selected. Then you can apply Denoise - 80 to one or more photos just by applying the preset. To apply the preset to a batch of photos, go to Library Grid view, select the photos, and do Quick Develop > Saved Preset > your-preset.

[Alan Wander]

I will do next week, now I am in press with work. I have to do comparing to the edit for same photo without Ai and i would like to also do with old way of Denoise using DNG file. I used to the same kind of photos what I have done in previous version so I know how good it was comparing to new Ai. So I will provide, but nothing change the fact that we should still be able to choose old way using DNG and as others already mentioned, it is now really faster (yellow update always), results are not the same which cause more focus on batch used denoise to control the output... 😕

[drtonyb]

@Alan Wander 

I have a high ISO shot taken with my Nikon Z8 which I Denoised in LrC 14.3.1 to produce an Enhanced-NR DNG file. I then used LrC 14.4 to Denoise the same NEF file using the new non-destructive Denoise. I opened the Denoise DNG, Denoised NEF and Original NEF as layers in Photoshop. The Denoise DNG is at the top of the layer stack, while the Original NEF is at the bottom and the non-destructive Denoised photo is the layer between them.

I changed the Denoise DNG layer's blend mode to Difference and disabled the middle layer, the non-destructive Denoised photo so that the difference between the DNG and the Original photo could be assessed by using a Threshold layer set to 1 at the top of the stack. This shows the smallest differences as white pixels and no difference as black pixels. Here is a screen shot of the result:

As expected, there is a lot of difference. I then enbled the non-destructive Denoised layer so see the difference between the Denoise DNG and the new non-destructive Denoised photo. Here is the result:

Tiny differences.

In reality, I defy anyone to see any difference by eye between the Denoise DNG and the non-destructive Denoised photo.

[marym80939794]

I can't believe Lightroom would have switched to this new denoise. It does nothing for my photos. I had changed the way I photographed because I knew I could essentially raise the iso in lightroom with the denoise button where I could choose how much to denoise. Now you click it and it goes to "50" but that's not true. It doesn't work anything like the old denoise. this is awful. 

[KR Seals]

Do you think that the "50" setting is an adjusted ISO? That's not what the 50 means. It's a percentage of the range of the  Denoise effect. Adjust it to your desired result/look.

[Jao vdL]

Not sure what you mean the new tool works exactly like the old slider but now you can live change the amount of denoise instead of having to generate a new dng file. The slider is exactly the same. 50 means half the full effect, 100 means maximum effect. Just like it did before. Just no new file needs to generate.

[South Coast Diver]

The new method ofr de-noise is fine for a single photo - but a complete pain for batchprocessing mutliple shots for denoise only. In fact so far I have not been able to get it to work. Really irritating. Why change something that was quick easy and worked!???

[ExUSA]

Well except its buggy and adjusting the slider doesn't work on all supported computers. Also, it doesn't get applied properly in a preset for either ACR or Lightroom. And the whole "adjust one and then sync" workflow is a PITA.

This feature should have failed QA testing.

[michelleg7073996]

Agreed. Additionally to the PITA problem, i don't always want to copy all settings including denoise to every photo. I slightly adjust each photo as appropriate and then apply denoise. So if i want a copy and paste of denoise, i then have to first adjust the copy settings to copy only denoise. And then change them all again to exclude it going forward as i copy and paste a base of settings before i tweak.



Sent from my Galaxy

[johnrellis]

@South Coast Diver: "... batch-processing multiple shots for denoise only ... I have not been able to get it to work."

In LR 14.4, you can use Sync Settings, Auto Sync, Copy/Paste, or presets to apply Denoise to multiple photos. Which method have you tried, and what happens when you do?

[Silentvalerio]

Adobe, riportate il vecchio sistema DNG!!! I risultati sono pessimi e mi è impossibile reinstallare da questo link Programma di installazione del plug-in Camera Raw la versione 14.5: Adobe Bridge non funziona più e nemmeno fa vedere le anteprime dei file RAW!!

[Silentvalerio]

Vi scongiuro: il nuovo sistema con la versione 17 è terribile e i risultati sono inguardabili!! Io ci sto rischiando il lavoro da fotografo!!!

[Alwaysheathbar]

I think we can all agree that some changes made this last update were indeed a quality of life improvement, such as no longer creating duplicate dng files when enhancing. However, for all the good that this update brought they, the developers, set the whole community back tenfold by absolutely destroying workflow (can no longer even work on seperate groups of photos while ai-denoise works on other photos) and you can no longer effectively batch "enhance"/ai-denoise on LrD (Lr Ecosystem).

Yes yes, I've been sent every link to every video, talked to multiple people and every single time the answer is the same; I'm sent links to Lightroom classic for their numerous workarounds, meanwhile our 2 options are the exact same as they've always been and all it does (if you can get it to work, more on that) is toggle the the checkbox for the denoise option but then you still have to go photo to photo and individually update the "ai edit status" completely defeating the purpose of batch copy+paste-ing a denoise option. I even tried creating presets for the denoise option like a lot of videos talk about to the same effect, I still have to go from photo to photo and "update ai edit status", what I didn't try yet is creating a denoise preset for specific ISOs, I shoot primarily wildlife photography on auto iso because I live in a forested national park (once I find an acceptable iso I'll take it off auto and then shoot on a dedicated iso until I move on to another area) making a denoise preset for one specific iso not exactly efficient in any capacity for me. On top of this about 80% of the time when I do try to copy+paste to at least have the ai-denoise option toggled it freezes on me, for example, at like 9 of __ almost everytime, occasionally making it past that but never past 52 of __ unless I click "update ai settings later" once again forcing the issue that I have to go photo to photo to click the update button on the right side of the screen completely destroying any sort of flow and efficiency patterns I'd developed over the last 2+ years in Lightroom. I used to batch enhance hundreds up to thousands of photos and step away for the night to let it work and sometimes depending on the amount of photos it might've taken a couple days; now that same amount of photos will take me weeks to get through, exponentially costing me time and money if it happens to be a job that pays for me.

I firmly believe that Adobe/Lightroom needs to address these issues like yesterday, I've seen hundreds of posts within this community, Reddit, Facebook, instagram and others all complaining of the same exact issue, and while I may not make money on my photography all the time when I do I have DEADLINES that are expected of me and when my workflow is so severely effected I can only imagine how others are getting by such as event/wedding/portrait photographers with huge photo dumps. It's completely unrealistic to have expected this update to have been looked up as an overall good move just because the developers FINALLY gave us a denoise tool that doesn't create stacked duplicates (which is honestly the only quality of life update that really effected me), and as such the developers should've immediately started working on a fix right after the update went live when you can see a huge amount of these community posts were created, here we are over a month later and it's like Adobe doesn't care AT ALL (keep in mind I've talked to quite a few people and when I express my disappointment and frustration even after they send me the Lightroom Classic fixes they then just send me links to cancel my subscription like they don't even care to try to keep my business). 

Adobe, Lightroom , whoever; we need this fixed NOW. We need a denoise feature again that allows for batch capabilities that actually renders the update while completing the task, I won't argue on behalf of being able to work on other photos while a denoise tool is working but would it really be that difficult to figure something out for a compromise? This update has taken me from recommending Lightroom to everyone I talk to about to photography to making numerous posts on social media telling people to stay away from Lightroom for the time being until this is fixed, I have truly never been so dissatisfied with an update in my life. Thanks for coming to my TEDtalk. 

(also when I was signing up it was expressed to me that Lightroom classic was getting phased out "sometime soon" hence why I opted to focus all my work in Lightroom Desktop or Ecosystem and now I just feel stupid for not being in Classic. Which I did download and install the other day only to discover that even though I was signed in to my Adobe account none of my photos from one system transferred over into Classic, meaning I'd have to start importing all of my work there and learn their current workarounds. Working in LrD/LrE has never bothered me until this update)

[Alwaysheathbar]

If you're aware of other issues and feel they need attention please add on in the comments, I am just one experience of many in this community. If you also happen to have found a solution for these issues I've mentioned please please PLEASE let me know so others can also benefit from your knowledge. And lastly, if you're on LrD/LrE and these issues I've mentioned aren't even effecting you please also let me know as I'm trying to track down anything I can do at all to help myself and others in the process. Thanks everyone, hate to make my first post in the community such a negative one but I've truly had no reason to voice my thoughts and opinions until this last update and giving it a month to try to adapt.