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P: Face anonymization

Community Beginner ,
May 09, 2024 May 09, 2024

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Hi

 

As an ethical pro-photographer, specalized in demonstration / manifestations such as pride or political events, It's important for me to control the amount of clues on a pictures which make it possible to identify people (faces, tattoos, numberplates etc...).

 

It's easy to use filtres in Photoshop to blur or pixelate parts of the photo, but I would need more powerful options to do it in Lightroom Classic. Until now I use masks and "clarity" / "sharpness" / "blur" cursors to blur the faces, and I often need to duplicate the effect and it's not really satisfying.

 

I would love to have an option to make the process faster, so here are some suggestions:

-add a new cursor or option in LRC to add blur of effects specifically to anonymize or make something unrecognizable (a more intense blur effect in one pass)

-add an option using AI to detect and generate fake faces replacing the ones in the picture (which would need to include this information inside the metadata, "AI tranforming and regenerating faces")

Everything that would make it possible to work in an ethical way, respecting the personnal identity rights 🙂

 

And please Adobe, you already rock the photographer's world, but please be more clear about what are the implications of using Firefly, sending our pics to its servers and working on it. It's totally okay, this is a mandatory procedure to use the technology, but we need to be able to inform our clients on what happens if we use your servers for AI with pictures of them.

 

Thanks !

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LEGEND ,
May 09, 2024 May 09, 2024

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"please be more clear about what are the implications of using Firefly, sending our pics to its servers and working on it. It's totally okay, this is a mandatory procedure to use the technology, but we need to be able to inform our clients on what happens if we use your servers for AI with pictures of them."

 

See here for the Adobe Firefly Terms and Conditions:

https://www.adobefirefly.download/terms-and-conditions [corrected the URL]

 

Paragraph 8 gives Adobe a non-excusive license to do whatever they want with content you upload or download:

 

"8. USER CONTENT. By posting, downloading, displaying, performing, transmitting, or otherwise distributing information or other content ("User Content") to the site, you are granting the Company, its affiliates, officers, directors, employees, consultants, agents, and representatives a permanent, non-exclusive license to use User Content in connection with the operation of the Internet businesses of Company, its affiliates, officers, directors, employees, consultants, agents, and representatives, including without limitation, a right to copy, distribute, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, reproduce, edit, translate, and reformat User Content. You will not be compensated for any User Content. You agree that Company may publish or otherwise disclose your name in connection with your User Content. By posting User Content on the site, you warrant and represent that you own the rights to the User Content or are otherwise authorized to post, distribute, display, perform, transmit, or otherwise distribute User Content."

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LEGEND ,
May 09, 2024 May 09, 2024

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Journalistic ethics require NOT altering photos. Just putting that out there. People in public have no legal (or commonsense) expectation of privacy.

And I vote no, or pay someone to develop a plugin. There is an opportunity cost for every new feature added, in time spent developing and testing, that could be used elsewhere.

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Community Beginner ,
May 09, 2024 May 09, 2024

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Thanks for the contribution 🙂

Not sure this part of "user content downloader to the site" includes specifically the data and files send and returned to the Firefly cooking system, other sources are saying that Adobe don't have a clear position about this question (I read things like "file is send, processed, and immediately deleted if the user has not consent to contribute to AI enrichment") which is different that posting a picture on Adobe websites.

I guess the specificity of AI assisted images will change many things in the future of legal things, in Europe this is a very hot topic...

 

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May 09, 2024 May 09, 2024

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@Lumigraphics I disagree, don't know what are the rules in your country but here you can have legal protection if someone take a picture of you and use it for bad design or if it ends to violence or crime. Especially LGBTQI+ or politically involved people are now afraid of being taken in photo, then found on the web, harrassed and beaten in return because of this (this is my speciality, for years I teach how to be more aware of the risks triggered by people we shoot in pictures). Having a journalistic purpose doesn't mean you can act just like there is no consequences for people expressing in the street ; if people can't go in the street safely, then they can't express anymore. If you think that expression MUST be a liberty in public space, then you should understand that social media, AI and identification technologies are coming with many problems reducing this specific liberty. As a photographer, I want to do my part, and for many years I show that this is not hard to show the messages and not the people if they don't want to 😉

 

This is my point here, I make hundreds of pictures of crowds, most of the time with no faces visible (because of my positionning, compositing and lenses choices) but when there are some I want it to be safer as fast as possible.

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May 09, 2024 May 09, 2024

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"Not sure this part of "user content downloader to the site" includes specifically the data and files send and returned to the Firefly cooking system"

 

It's unambiguous that this provision covers anything you send to or download from the site: "posting, downloading, ... transmitting ...information or other content ("User Content") to the site". 

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LEGEND ,
May 09, 2024 May 09, 2024

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Do you think that security/police/government/extremists are not taking their own photos and video of every demonstration? If you are not following journalistic ethics, then there isn't a problem. Don't use blur, just go into Photoshop and paint right over faces.

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Community Beginner ,
May 09, 2024 May 09, 2024

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Is Firefly "the site" ?

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May 09, 2024 May 09, 2024

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Okay, so because there is bad people on the road killing pedestrians by driving with alcohol or drugs means that I shouldn't care about safety when I drive ? This is a nonsense, pro photographers should try to expand the better way to work, because until now most of the popular pictures in mainstream medias are taken by pros or people used to work with media (once more, this is the case here, don't know what happens in your country...)

 

I did use "mosaic" filter in photoshop, but I don't want to create a tiff or psd file for hundreds of pics, this is a common use for me and I think it should be easier to blur things in order to make it unrecognizable (not only faces). And I don't want to make my photos ugly by using low exposition, creating dark dots on the faces, blur can be discreet.

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LEGEND ,
May 09, 2024 May 09, 2024

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I'd be amazed if any reputable publication would publish photos that were clearly altered.

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"Is Firefly "the site"?"

 

Yes. The title of the document is "Adobe Firefly - Terms and Conditions", and paragraph 1 says:

 

"1. BINDING EFFECT. This is a binding agreement between you and '. Adobe Firefly .' Company. By using the Internet site located at Adobe Firefly, you agree to abide by these Terms of Use. If at any time you find these Terms of Use unacceptable, you must immediately leave the Site and cease all use of it." [Emphasis added]

 

Note that I corrected the URL of the document above.

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