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Ivan Zajats
Inspiring
October 5, 2021
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p: Save virtual copies' settings as xmps

  • October 5, 2021
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Would be great to save the develop settings of the virtual copies as xmp files as well. Often we make color & BW versions or use different presets for the same image. Why not to save all the versions either in one xmp or as separate xmps? So that we could share it with a retoucher, for instance, without converting to several DNGs. Or in case we lose the catalogue file, we'd preserve not only 1 version of the processing.

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Ivan Zajats
Inspiring
October 6, 2021

Jao vdL is right, export as the originals makes the real raw copies with separate xmps for each variant of editing.

Certainly, it would be more handy to have everything in one xmp without making raw copies, but anyway this solution works. So, we can have a backup of all the settings outside the LR.

 

Community Expert
October 6, 2021

yes. Both exporting as a catalog and exporting as originals works to include the virtual copies. Exporting as dng also works fine. You just get multiple copies of the file that will be named with -2 etc. 

DdeGannes
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October 5, 2021

Interesting thread. What would happen if you selected a folder of images that also contained “Virtual Copies” and export as a catalog? Would the data be included?

 

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DdeGannes
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October 5, 2021

Just my thought, xmp sidecar files sit alongside the original image file or in the file header for DNG, tiff, jpeg etc.

Unfortunately “a Virtual copy” is not an actual image file it is just data stored in the Catalog file.

When you are using LrC it is reading from the Catalog. As far as Lightroom is concerned the information is in the Catalog.

I acknowledge it's possible to also write data to the file automatically or manually, however this is a secondary function that allows the data to be shared with Camera Raw and other Adobe applications.

I utilize the default operation so I do not utilize writing data to the file.

To wit one of the main reasons I decided to use Lightroom in 2007 is to get rid of managing XMP sidecars which is a pain in the but.

 

 

 

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.
Community Expert
October 5, 2021

Ah that makes sense. The one way to accomplish this is by using snapshots instead of virtual copies. Camera Raw understands those. Not as nice from a "what do I see when scrolling through the catalog" perspective but a solution to sharing multiple versions in one raw/xmp combo

GoldingD
Legend
October 5, 2021

Jao Vdl wrote: "Not sure I understand. If you export as original you get the correct xmp sidecar for each virtual copy with your export and the raw files will get numbered automatically. So this is already implemented. "

 

OP does not want to export

JohanElzenga
Community Expert
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October 5, 2021
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I'd love to, but I can't vote for my own topic.

 

I didn't realise that. In the old feedback forum you could, and it was advised to do so.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga
JohanElzenga
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Community Expert
October 5, 2021

As the OP explained, he wants this so he does not have to send the same raw file more than once. He could just send the original raw file and the two XMP files, but then the receiver would have to rename sidecars to get the second implementation. Doable, but not ideal. Exporting as catalog is better, but it does require the receiver to have Lightroom Classic as well. Camera Raw can't read Lightroom catalogs.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga
Community Expert
October 5, 2021

Not sure I understand. If you export as original you get the correct xmp sidecar for each virtual copy with your export and the raw files will get numbered automatically. So this is already implemented. 

GoldingD
Legend
October 5, 2021

If it was a matter of very few upvotes, that is because most of us probably do not create those xmp files to start with. That most do not collaborate. That most do not share the process. Hence no need for the request for change.  As such, not intetested.

 

As to why no upvotes? hmmmm

 

I can see that use for this, so I will be polite.