P: Generated images violate user guidelines

[Hematita]

So as you can see, it's a PG-13 relatively inoffensive image of a woman in a bunny outfit. The top worked fine, and I was able to complete the top ear, which is cool. When I tried to extend the bottom with generative fill, though, I got this warning. They're just a pair of legs wearing stockings, and I wanted to extend it.

It feels like a false flag - though I could be wrong? I find myself thinking it would do the same for women in swimsuits.

Figured I'd share here.

[Leslie Moak Murray]

She has six fingers on her left hand and the inner bend of the elbow line on the raised arm is wrong.  A few more "AI hands":

[Jason Toemmes]

Wish I could upvote your comment 10 more times

[Olivier2023242526]

We are adults responsible for our actions. The courts decide right and wrong, not the manufacturers. If I puncture a car's tires with a fork, should the manufacturer be forced to blunt them?

[randyo83115211]

The restrictions are too much, adobe you need to loosen these [cursing removed] restrictions.....all the images i try to work with in the beta keep coming up with error about community guidelines and all my images i try are of fully clothed women and its frustrating. please work on this, better yet quit restricting them in the first place, im a boudour photographer. Please dont be like the "other" and censor what we can edit of our own images.

[J-D-F]

Adobe isn't going to improve interaction or the tool. They will add their me too ai to the next release and then subsequently pretend that fashion, swimsuits, glamour photography, lingerie, sports and fitness don't exist as markets. All of these censored AI tools will be totally eclipsed by tools without guidelines. That is how it has worked for every previous generation of digital tools, Adobe wants to pretend that corn ads aren't 80% of their userbase, or that flat-style clipart and fonts will save them.

Somehow this monstrosity made it through the filters because obviously a cluster of mutant flesh bulbs is more appropriate than the nethers of a statue. 

[J-D-F]

Incidentally, we can't even discuss problems because culture is so puritanical we censor words like gen i tals and pe nis, which are legitimate real words, aren't slang, and describe something directly related to the issue. 

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

You doing ok @J-D-F? You seem really upset over a first generation public beta.

[CShubert]

Hey everybody.

We appreciate all the feedback and patience as we work with this exciting tool, and our goal will be to release a finished product that meets all the needs of professionals. In this time of learning and growth, be assured we hear you and are taking all the feedback to the team to sift through.

[daniellei4510]

No one actually knows WHAT the bot is generating. Everyone seems to assume it's nudity. Or violence. In fact, it could be generating such visual gibberish that the bot doesn't even know how to interpret it, so it's only resource is to assume it's against the guidelines. And as far as this issue being fixed soon, don't hold your breath. It took the programmers of Midjourney a year to finally get it to create reasonable looking hands. And they still aren't 100% perfect.

Meanwhile, two weeks ago, Photoshop didn't even HAVE this technology and now everyone is getting upset that it doesn't work more often than it does. But no good deed goes unpunished, as they say. 

[RED444222]

Hello, I am using the new beta generative feature and I am finding that it is not adhering to the prompts I am using and I belive it is a censorship issue, I work in making swimwear and lingerie and that sometimes involves plus sized models and it appears like the images of the bikinis I make are for some reason violating the guidelines when there is no pornographic content in the image. Is swimwear considered breaking the guidelines? Is being overweight in violation of the guidelines? Is there a problem with showing too much skin on the system where it wont adhere to the edit even if it is not considered pornographic although a bit revealing?

Overall its a great concept and Ive seen some great work done with the service but very restrictive to the industry I am in which makes me very sad that even in this day and age we cant show anything above the knee

The ai was actually putting new clothes in all of the images I was attempting to update. lol.

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

Hi @RED444222 can you supply some examples of images, results and the prompts used to show how it's failing? It would help illustrate the issue.

[J-D-F]

Doing great! You seem upset that I have an opinion regarding a poorly implemented late-to-market feature-clone? Have a good day! ❤️ 😘

[Vito27662922on8d]

Naw, I'm thinking at this point it's to stop people from taking a model's picture, lassoing the body and telling it to Generate a nude body. My problem was the opposite. I was trying to PUT bikinis on to nude models so I can put them on Social Media.

[Sarah27914909k9u3]

Please, PLEASE loosen up the community guidelines for generative fill. The current system finds all kinds of PG or G-rated items to violate community standards. It's ridiculous and makes the feature much less useful, which is a shame, because it's an awesome feature.

On another note, once the feature leaves beta, I do truly hope all the censorship will depart as well. I pay a lot of money for the creative suite, and I do not do this so I can be thwarted and judged by Adobe.

[Michael Bullo]

What kind of keywords are getting flagged?

[daniellei4510]

Not sure about that. I think a lot of what photographers and AI creators are doing involve women, so it comes across that way. I've had the same thing happen with blank areas, cows, babies, you name it. I don't believe for a minute that this is the issue.  

[daniellei4510]

Do you, as I do, get the impression that people POST to this board and never really READ the comments and responses? Do people even understand what a beata is about? For starters, this is an editing tool, not a means to create new images. Yeah, youtubers are showing all these crazy instances about removing entire groups of people or replacing a person holding one thing and then holding something completely different, but trust me: they pick and choose in advance what works and what dosen't. Everyone needs to calm down. This technology didn't exist a couple of weeks ago and now you want absolute perfection on a freaking beta. If you don't like it, stop using it. Cancel your Photoshop membership. Go back to doing it manually, if you even adept enough to do so.

[Bob5E9A]

After many, many experiments with this beta gen fill and the constant weird fills, I personally choose to believe that I get this message because gen fill tried to created a fill and failed. It does not see the object I am trying to fill, just pixels. Since it does not actually see my object with eyes, it does not understand the scale or connection point, etc. Using a prompt gets an image related to the prompt message but not related to my object. Frankly unless gen fill grows eyes and a human brand, don't know how PS can fix this, except to build in some type of user discussion interface tool which interfaces with logic software, like Chat GPT, to create the perfect prompt. The first step in this beta would be for PS to build a discussion interface and let us know what prompt it created so we can modify it.

[daniellei4510]

Generative Fill DOES work, despite its present drawbacks. The mother of the child in this image I've attached gave me permission to post this. After her baby was born, he required the use of a feeding tube. While she shared photos of her new baby with relatives, she told them to NOT share online any of the baby's photos that included the feeding tube, which in fact it must wear 24/7 for the time being. She asked if I could help, since she knew I was a photo retoucher. To be honest, I'm a pretty good one, but removing the tube using Photoshop would have required a good deal of time, espeically since she wanted a number of images to be retouched. Fortunately, Generative Fill had just been announced and I downloaded the beta to give it a try.

Attached is one example of how incredible this new technology is. I simply selected the bandage on his cheek, along with the orange tubing, and selected Generative Fill, without a text prompt. It worked flawlessly on all four images the mother provided me with and she was finally able to give the go-ahead to relatives and inlaws to post images of her newborn.

Generative Fill works. Not always, but it works. Just don't try to over-extend its capabilities. And don't blame skin as being cause of the issue. It simply isn't true. 

[georges73572917]

AI gave me a naked demon standing in the picture, but a closed mouth is a no-no.lol

[Bob5E9A]

I once worked for one software company. Another company, who was always first to market, tried to recruite me. I commented of them being out first so often. The person said they release a product even though it is not ready, but it makes them look cutting edge. PS was so far behind Mid Journey, plus AI is "big", so they had to get something out. Will they be able to take a baby picture, like above, without a tube and use gen fill to put a tube in place, starting with no tube? Don't see how that could happen.

[Bob5E9A]

OK. Now take the baby picture on the right with no tube and have Gen Fill create a tube and put it in place. Yes, you can use prompts.

[daniellei4510]

I put up an example. Admittably far from a perfect one, but with some photoshopping finess, it could probably pass as real. In any case, my original comparison post was to show what generative fill CAN do, not what it can't, and to falsify the notion that skin has something to do with the false flag warnings. That simply isn't the case. 

[Ray26434972uq1g]

All I wanted to do was have generative fill complete the elbow, and it gave me the dreaded "violated user guideline." It works excellently with landscapes, but the generative fill is very cautious about body parts.

[daniellei4510]

One thing I discovered, quite by accident, is that if you make a very small selection anywhere else in the image far removed from your main selection, this will sometimes help avoid the violation message.