macOS Sequioa / Photoshop 25 and messed up print settings during printing

Report · Mar 25, 2025

It's no wonder there have been a few threads here about printing from macOS Sequoia.

I'm not an early adopter, meaning my main Mac is still on macOS Ventura and, mainly, PS24, so I've not experienced this printing issue.. But, today I experienced the Sequoia/Photoshop 25 print pipeline issue we've been hearing about here.

I wonder about macOS Sonoma too now.

In Photoshop's print process, I prefer to use Photoshop Manages Color and select the ICC profile myself - meaning that, now, I just need to go to the Print Settings (which opens the Epson or Canon etc. print driver), and, there, under Printer Options/Print Settings I select the media type and also check that in the Color Matching section the options are greyed out - with Colorsync selected [here, as below, the options should be greyed, because selecting Photoshop Manages Color tells the driver to disable color management].

What's the issue with printing?
Selected options within Print Settings / Printer Options which are correctly used on macOS Ventura with Photoshop 24 and Photoshop 25, but are not in Sequoia with Photoshop 25. I am not using the 'Airprint' driver [that has its own issues] but, either Epson or Canon's own software.

In Sequoia with Photoshop 25, after selecting the right media in Printer Options, I now need to click Save to get back to Photoshop's Print button. [it was click 'OK' in PS25 in Ventura, so, Save here came with Photoshop 25]

The problem now is that the media I selected by name is NOT saved, it doesn’t stick [so prints are bad] - if I go straight back to Print Settings/Printer Options/Print Settings to check what's being used, the Media selection here has reverted to whatever was default.

[AND on a Canon Printer the perceptual option has reappeared too (more on that below).]

To add to the confusion, in my test on a Canon driver, there's also a Perceptual or NO Color Adjusment option there. Perceptual should not be offered, since Photoshop is doing the color management. Selecting NO Color Adjustment here doesn’t stick either, it apparently reverts to Perceptual when the window closes after saving.

No wonder prints are bad.

Apple? Adobe? Epson? Canon? who's messed this up?

I hope this helps

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Report · Mar 25, 2025

I have been given to understand that Apple messed it up with uncorrected APIs going back as far as Ventura. BUT THAT SAID, the business of printer drivers appearing not to stick could also be printer manufacturer driver issue. In fact, with the Epson driver for the P5370 I find it infuriating that once one selects the Printer and Print settings in the driver ane clicks SAVE, one cannot go back into this menu to see whether it saved correctly, because it always shows the default settings upon being opened, not the most recenrtly saved ones. However, if one goes straight to PRINT withoiut re-opening anything, the print comes out correctly. So the moral of this story is: after selecting a bunch of settings and saving them, DO NOT LOOK BACK. Trust the system and just print. Now that works with this particular printer and OS version. All bets off for any other. I am of the view that both the printer manufaturers and Apple Computer do NOT have their act together on this print pipeline and it really is long overdue that once and for all they fix it. I'm close to either buying a RIP or a Windows computer to get myself disentangled from all this nonsense.

Report · Mar 26, 2025

@MarkDS "if one goes straight to PRINT withoiut re-opening anything, the print comes out correctly. So the moral of this story is: after selecting a bunch of settings and saving them, DO NOT LOOK BACK. Trust the system and just print."

Thx for the reply, but sadly not in this users case (with a Canon). the print is awful (nearly every time) hence my investigations.

we used to have a solution to savings preset to appear in the list above (do it in Preview) but even that's not working properly now.

Yeah I'm a RIP fan and I use GMG colorproof RIP here for certified proofing with an Epson Pro4900 (no Canons here), the downside is that Colorproof’s Windows only so has to be run through Parallels and colorproof only likes Intel, not ARM processors, so it has to be on a pre Silicon Mac.

Colorburst X-PHOTO & X-PROOF provided an amazing solution for many of my clients, with great control over black generation too, increasing clarity and fine detail and saving ink - but development ceased years back. I suspect the addition of Epson's orange and Green inks made RIP development for every new printer just too expensive. Colornurst actually drove the printer as a CMYK+n device, rather than using the driver. Their later product sat atop the driver, so one lost the black generation control. .

Look at Proofmaster perhaps?

I'm told Canon's own print utility ("Professional Print and Layout") works OK (there's also Canon "Print Studio Pro") - be good to know how well those work ';~}

You already mentioned Epson Print Layout, so, I guess that's all good and settings stick?

thanks for taking the time

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Report · Mar 26, 2025

Neil- probably worth also mentioning ImagePrint by Colorbyte software. I have not used it myself, but I've seen it in action at the late Kevin Raber's studio and heard very good feedback from people whose judgment I trust that it works well. I suspect it works around the factors affecting the issues we are discussing here. I hope to have a conversation with them to delve more into that, as it may be a viable alternative to using the printer drivers in a MacOS environment. The only problem with it is commercial; it's not cheap but I understand they offer excellent support.

Report · Mar 26, 2025

@MarkDS Yes Colorbyte Image Print, as you mention - it's quite expensive at $900 for a 17" printer and I believe it uses (*or used to use) a proprietary form of ICC profile with some extra 'curves' inside - so that only Colorbyte made profiles can get give results. I was told that the linearisation curves one would normally make (pre profiling) when working with a RIP are inside their profiles (and only their profiles) We'd think of those linearidsations as media settings in an Epson or Canon driver. Meaning that users had to getColorbyte to make media profiles for them.

Mind you, this was some time ago.

There were also complaints about periodic upgrade costs, we're a bit more used to that these days.

For general use the print drivers are (were) a very acceptable way to get decent print, but, of course not if Apple mess up how the drivers work. I used to have an inside line into the Colorsync guy at Apple but I don't think there's any such guy now. I do have one contact I'll see what I can do with them

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Report · Mar 26, 2025

Neil, my understanding of ImagePrint is that it works with one's own custom profiles. But I also understand, from some time back now, they will also make custom profiles for customers on request.

Report · Mar 27, 2025

@MarkDS as I wrote, its right that their profiles previously included some secret sauce by way of linearisation curves, I had a friend who went thorough all this. Maybe that’s changed. maybe not as it would have provided a revenue stream. I'd love to know

I looked at their site to try find out, I still don't have the answer, but I did discover one good thing, they seem to have made ICC media profiles available for many media manufacturer's products - that can only be good, more here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn1KrMrpfcY&list=PLKNLpLq9jyF6tK99LNiL6EAgPte_I8M64&index=16&t=34s

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Report · Apr 14, 2025

In an update on another thread about this a user has made some useful suggestions:

keith_7272

New Here ,

I feel your pain. I had a related problem on my Epson (in this case, excessive magenta). I don't know whether this solution will work for you, but after hours of uninstalling and reinstalling and internet searching, this is the simple step that worked for me:

Go System settings>Privacy and Security, Local Network. Make sure all relevant applications are toggled on. In my case two Epson ones -- including 'rastertoescpII' -- were toggled off. As soon as I turned them on, Photoshop could once again interface seamlessly with my printer, and the prints came out perfectly.

I hope this helps

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Report · Apr 14, 2025

Just to clarify my earlier post, I am using Seqouia. Local Network may appear in a different menu in Ventura, but it has to be there somewhere.

Report · Apr 15, 2025

@keith_7272 thanks very much for the confirmation that your workaround was for masOS Sequoia - I'm super impressed that you got to the bottom of that issue

In case anyone needs to test it - this was Keith's soliution on the other Sequioa printing thread:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-discussions/mac-sequoia-and-prints/m-p/15254527#M...

keith_7272

New Here , Apr 07, 2025

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I feel your pain. I had a related problem on my Epson (in this case, excessive magenta). I don't know whether this solution will work for you, but after hours of uninstalling and reinstalling and internet searching, this is the simple step that worked for me:

Go System settings>Privacy and Security, Local Network. Make sure all relevant applications are toggled on. In my case two Epson ones -- including 'rastertoescpII' -- were toggled off. As soon as I turned them on, Photoshop could once again interface seamlessly with my printer, and the prints came out perfectly.

I hope this helps those having issues

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