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June 3, 2023
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300dpi

  • June 3, 2023
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I'm sure I'm asking a simple question
how do i do my photoshop work as 300 dpi image jpg
thanks 

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Beste Antwort von TheDigitalDog

There is zero difference in a document that is 1000x1000 pixels (as an example) at 72 dpi (PPI) or 300 dpi (PPI) or any such value. All are 1000x1000 pixels and the dpi/ppi is simply a metadata tag. 
This very, very old primer on resolution still seems necessary to post, this may help in understanding this tag:
http://digitaldog.net/files/Resolution.pdf

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TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
June 3, 2023

There is zero difference in a document that is 1000x1000 pixels (as an example) at 72 dpi (PPI) or 300 dpi (PPI) or any such value. All are 1000x1000 pixels and the dpi/ppi is simply a metadata tag. 
This very, very old primer on resolution still seems necessary to post, this may help in understanding this tag:
http://digitaldog.net/files/Resolution.pdf

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
Participant
June 4, 2023

really interesting and thanks for this information

Ged_Traynor
Community Expert
Community Expert
June 3, 2023

@Trendssoul unless you're going to print your images, there's no need to change the DPI, if you do want to change it you can do that from the Image > Image Size menu

https://www.adobe.com/uk/creativecloud/photography/discover/dots-per-inch-dpi-resolution.html

jane-e
Community Expert
Community Expert
June 3, 2023

I hadn't seen that link before, @Ged_Traynor , but I like that it first correctly defines DPI and only later explains the difference between PPI and DPI!

 

What does DPI stand for?

DPI stands for Dots per Inch, referring to the number of ink droplets a printer will produce per inch while printing an image. The more dots of ink per inch the picture has, the more detail you will see when printed.

 

How does DPI differ from PPI?

PPI (Pixels per Inch) refers to the number of pixels that make up every inch of a digital image. It’s used to describe image resolution on a screen, rather than in print. DPI, meanwhile, refers to number of dots in every inch and is generally used for print purposes.

 

 

Jane

Zesty_wanderlust15A7
Known Participant
June 5, 2023

Hi

Let me see if I can explain my previous post better.

1. In way of explanation for those people from countries that don't uses inches, 1 inch = 2.54 cm.

2. If you are making images purely for viewing on screens then ppi (which is metadata i.e. a value stored alongside the image) is totally irrelevant. All that matters is the size of the image in pixels. So let's say we have a 6000 x 4000 pixel image. Different screens will display that image at different sizes based on the physical size of the screen and how many physical screen pixels make up those screens. A 24 inch 4K screen will display the same image using the same number of pixels at a smaller physical size than a 48 inch 4K screen. The ppi data is ignored so you could make that value 1 ppi or 1000 ppi it will make no difference on the screen.

 

3. For printing, as stated by D Fosse, dpi and ppi are not necessarily the same value. Think of it simply -  pixels are the smallest unit of picture information that make up a rasterised image. So our image above has 6000 x 4000 pixels. The printer however can often print those pixels using even smaller dots. So a group of dots is put on the paper for each image pixel. Therefore dots per inch (dpi) can be higher than pixels per inch (ppi). You will not see a control to enter dots per inch (dpi) in an image editor such as Photoshop, at least not one that makes proper use of the terms. You may see a way to change dpi inside the printer driver but it is often labelled differently anyway, e.g. an Epson inkjet driver has a quality control which is actually setting the dots per inch value, it is just not labelled as that.
What you do have in Photoshop is a value for how many pixels should be used to make 1 inch (or 2.54 cm) of printed output. This is the pixels per inch (ppi) value. If such a value was not sent to the printer then the printer would have no way of calculating how big the physical print should be.

 

An example :

Our 6000 x 4000 image could be printed at 300 pixels per inch. That will print 20 inches x 13.3 inches ( 50.8 cm x 33.9cm).

We could also print the same image at 100 pixels per inch, without any resampling, so it still contains 6000 x 4000 pixels. This time it would print 60 inches x 40 inches which is much larger. But the larger print has no more picture information than the smaller print. 

In addition, a bit of trigonometry tells us that the first, smaller, print viewed from 22.9 inches will look identical in every way to the second, larger, print viewed from 68.7 inches away. That is why we do not need massive pixel counts in large images viewed from a distance.

 

Of course we can resample an image so that the larger print could be printed at 300ppi. That would then require 18,000 x 12,000 pixels and resampling has to 'invent' those extra 192 million pixels based on the known image pixels of which there were 24 million. It cannot add extra image detail, it can only make the additional pixels up based on the existing picture information. There are various algorithms to do this and all introduce artifacts. The better AI based algorithms can do a good job, but even they are still only making up the missing information. So why resample at all? In some circumstances it may be better to make up those intermediate pixels than to see the pixel structure when viewing the larger image from a close distance. That balance between introducing artifacts and the possibility of seeing pixels when viewed close is an artistic choice.

 

I hope this helps explain my previous answer

 

Dave


Great explanation that will serve others well, Dave, thanks!

Respectfully, for 96% it again explains what I already knew, 3% how I used to think (either wrongly or correctly), so that leaves mostly the trigonometry I was not fresh on 😉 I had even added to reasons for resampling in the Luminous Landscape link (reasons you don't mention, but people like Schewe do).

 

What I want to hear is that you must use this field when printing (which you guys do seem to do, which is what I used to think in the past, but now is "new" to me after seeing so many say it's pixel dimensions that matter, making sense to me).

 

Also: what would prove that? Any print set at a wildly different ppi?

 

We've all seen at least the titles of thousands of video tuts. If this field was so crucial, I'm saying there would be many dozens of these videos telling us, "I accidentally (or for demonstration purposes) defined 30 ppi for this photo, and look how it destroyed my print quality!" I've never noticed such demo, and I also restate there would be tons more topics of people screwing up their printing like that. Maybe I'm just not noticing these vids because I don't have a printer anymore, but I doubt that. The topics I have seen more often are from people who don't realize you can simply change the ppi field w/o resampling.

 

I did have a sublimation dye printer some 10 years ago and sent photos to printing services. The quality was always perfect, but I had probably set ppi to 300. But at the moment, I'm still convinced there is some way to escape the importance of that field for printing too, maybe depending on a choice one makes in the printer dialog and how I always did it. If I had a printer, I would print one of these "300 ppi" photos as 30 ppi and see what happens.

 

So as final questions...

(1) From what ppi number do you claim I will definitely see a (much) less optimal print? (let's say we are talking the pixel dimensions for handheld photos where, AFAIK, ppi would normally be set to 300). Are you saying 30 ppi or 3000 ppi will produce garbage, even if I state the usual size of the print I want?

 

(2) And are you sure of that, or do you think there is some way around it, depending what you define in the printing dialog? If this possibility exists, it should be stated that ppi when printing does not matter if [conditions]. It would also make we are both correct 😉

 

I would be happy to see me make a bad print, as then I will finally have learned. ATM, I'm still convinced I can make the same quality print somehow with that field set to whatever — but the lack of testing and printing experience may prove me wrong... At least I now have a goal to test this somewhere when I can 🙂